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Why would I use docker? You don't have to use it. I'm just generating static binaries. Does anyone understand how to do stuff without containers these days?

by cjk2 2y ago

skydhash 2y ago
I’m using VMs these day because of conflicts and inconsistencies between tooling. But the VM is dedicated to one project and I set it up just like a real machine (GUI, browser, and stuff). No file sharing. It’s been a blast.
rfoo 2y ago
Because you just said: > which is considerably faster than on docker And we are curious why it is like so because we not only understand how to do stuff without containers, we also understand how containers work and your claim sounds off.
- cjk2 2y ago
  I don't understand what you are saying. I'm saying it is slower on docker due to container startup, pulling images, overheads, working out what incantations to run, filesystem access, network weirdness, things talking to other things, configuration required, pull limits, API tokens, all sorts. Versus "go run"
  - immibis 2y ago
    But usually it's not "considerably". Obviously setting up the container environment takes time but it should be well under a second per build.
  - rfoo 2y ago
    Wow! You are right! Running go build on host instead of container is 1.16 times faster! A whopping 435ms difference! Amazing! /tmp/gitea $ hyperfine -p 'go clean -cache' 'make backend' 'docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend' Benchmark #1: make backend Time (mean ± σ): 2.766 s ± 0.021 s [User: 8.429 s, System: 1.590 s] Range (min … max): 2.732 s … 2.800 s 10 runs Benchmark #2: docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend Time (mean ± σ): 3.201 s ± 0.034 s [User: 9.9 ms, System: 7.7 ms] Range (min … max): 3.135 s … 3.235 s 10 runs Summary 'make backend' ran 1.16 ± 0.01 times faster than 'docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend' (For incremental build, tested with `hyperfine --warmup 1 'make backend' 'docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -v $HOME/.cache/go-build:/root/.cache/go-build -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend'` it's 812.9 ms vs 1.146s.)

Why would I use docker? You don't have to use it. I'm just generating static binaries. Does anyone understand how to do stuff without containers these days?

by cjk2 2y ago

Why would I use docker? You don't have to use it. I'm just generating static binaries. Does anyone understand how to do stuff without containers these days?

skydhash 2y ago

I’m using VMs these day because of conflicts and inconsistencies between tooling. But the VM is dedicated to one project and I set it up just like a real machine (GUI, browser, and stuff). No file sharing. It’s been a blast.

rfoo 2y ago

Because you just said: > which is considerably faster than on docker And we are curious why it is like so because we not only understand how to do stuff without containers, we also understand how containers work and your claim sounds off.

cjk2 2y ago
I don't understand what you are saying. I'm saying it is slower on docker due to container startup, pulling images, overheads, working out what incantations to run, filesystem access, network weirdness, things talking to other things, configuration required, pull limits, API tokens, all sorts. Versus "go run"
- immibis 2y ago
  But usually it's not "considerably". Obviously setting up the container environment takes time but it should be well under a second per build.
- rfoo 2y ago
  Wow! You are right! Running go build on host instead of container is 1.16 times faster! A whopping 435ms difference! Amazing! /tmp/gitea $ hyperfine -p 'go clean -cache' 'make backend' 'docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend' Benchmark #1: make backend Time (mean ± σ): 2.766 s ± 0.021 s [User: 8.429 s, System: 1.590 s] Range (min … max): 2.732 s … 2.800 s 10 runs Benchmark #2: docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend Time (mean ± σ): 3.201 s ± 0.034 s [User: 9.9 ms, System: 7.7 ms] Range (min … max): 3.135 s … 3.235 s 10 runs Summary 'make backend' ran 1.16 ± 0.01 times faster than 'docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend' (For incremental build, tested with `hyperfine --warmup 1 'make backend' 'docker run --rm -v $PWD:/build -v $HOME/.go:/go -v $HOME/.cache/go-build:/root/.cache/go-build -w /build golang:1.22.3 make backend'` it's 812.9 ms vs 1.146s.)