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The article clearly disputes this. They hired and worked with the voice actor for Sky months before the first time SJ was contacted, and the voice actor used fo
by 93po 2y ago
The article clearly disputes this. They hired and worked with the voice actor for Sky months before the first time SJ was contacted, and the voice actor used for Sky never had the movie Her or SJ's name mentioned to her a single time
- qarl 2y agoRight. And that's extremely hard to believe. A discovery search of the internal emails should give us a definitive answer.
- tptacek 2y agoTo find this "extremely hard to believe", you have to argue that this story, which has multiple sources unaffiliated with OpenAI, contemporaneous documentary evidence, and is written by a reporter with every incentive in the world to roast OpenAI, is directly wrong about facts plainly reported in the story. I think you have to want this story to be wrong to think it's wrong. It's a tough beat! Everyone was super sure OpenAI did this bad thing just a couple days ago, and now they're feeling sheepish about it.
- 93po 2y agoI wrote a comment to this exact effect yesterday. We didn't have both sides of the story, let's give Sam/OAI, like, literally just a single day to present their own side. And now he did, and I am sure all the people shouting down Sam at every turn still give no shits and will move the goalposts.
- qarl 2y agoI'm sorry friend, I don't know what to tell you. I find it extremely hard to believe.
- tptacek 2y agoI can see that you do.
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- Phemist 2y agoOut of all journalistic outlets, WaPo, being owned by Bezos, has the least incentive to roast OpenAI in this case. Wouldn't it be nice if Bezos/Amazon could make Alexa sound like a voice actress that sounds a lot like ScarJo without repercussions? First step is to shape the public opinion.
- edgyquant 2y agoHe literally posted “her” on Twitter the day before the press release. The willful ignorance here is astounding
- FireBeyond 2y agoThe reporter was quite unquestioning. OpenAI reached out to SJ to use her as a voice actor. Why was the casting call for non-union actors only? SJ is a SAG union member. "Non-union actors, unless you happen to be her?" Her agent feared for her client's safety? Why? And to the point where the agent wants to stay anonymous, too? Highly ironic, given that ultimately, a single voice statement from the voice actor could be far more conclusive of OpenAI's defense. Altman was not "intimately involved"... well, other than the latter attempt to sign SJ two days prior to launch coming from him personally... The agent said the actress confirmed that neither Johansson nor the movie “Her” were ever mentioned by OpenAI. Weird they'd not say anything to her when they were making these references public.
- sanderjd 2y agoIt isn't the specific facts covered by the article that I find hard to believe. It's claims like "they probably weren't even aware of the movie and definitely weren't trying to create a voice that sounded like it". It's true that their behavior is less damning, with the facts from this reporting. And that's a good thing. But it's not true, in my opinion, that the article demonstrates that there is no behavior to criticize.
- bmitc 2y agoThat doesn't mean anything. They could have been and were likely developing the process and technology while having Johansson in mind the whole time. > never had the movie Her or SJ's name mentioned to her a single time How do you know that?
- z7 2y agoThe article says: >The agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to assure the safety of her client, said the actress confirmed that neither Johansson nor the movie “Her” were ever mentioned by OpenAI.
- giobox 2y agoThe Movie Her predates all of this by years, and Sam Altman even tweeted "her"! The OpenAI team are clearly well aware of Scarlett's voice (its inconceivable the majority of the team at OpenAI haven't at least seen part of the film that almost defined their industry). The movie predates all of this by years - of course they knew. When auditioning actors "months before" they can still look for an actor who guess what? Sounds like SJ, even "before the first time SJ was contacted". As the actor - I'd likely also be looking to emulate SJ in Her - its clearly what the client was looking for.
- asaxena76 2y agoEven if thats true why would that be illegal or unethical? She can't possibly have a copyright on all voices that sounds like "her"
- mastax 2y agoThere have been cases where it was decided that a person had rights[0] to their distinctive voice, as an extension of the Right of Publicity[1]. For example Midler v. Ford Motor Co.[2], and one or two other cases I've seen mentioned but can't remember. [0]: Though not necessarily "copyrights"? [1]: https://higgslaw.com/celebrities-sue-over-unauthorized-use-of-identity/ https://higgslaw.com/celebrities-sue-over-unauthorized-use-o... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
- Athari 2y agoMidler v. Ford is a poor comparison for this case specifically because of: 1. hiring an impersonator 2. copying a song 3. intending to confuse. If what OpenAI is saying is true, then none of the conditions apply. I'd say (1) is unlikely, (2) is very unlikely, and (3) is maybe, at least to some degree.
- pclmulqdq 2y agoI would suggest that (3) is a solid "yes" given the other communications around this, and honestly the similarity of the final tone of voice. Very little suggests an intent to confuse more than tweets from company leaders confirming that there was intent to confuse. What is left on the table is whether actual confusion occurred, which is different.