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http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/kleiner-perkins-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-ellen-pao/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/kleiner-perkins-sexual-hara... This is i

by icki 14y ago

http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/kleiner-perkins-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-ellen-pao/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/kleiner-perkins-sexual-hara... This is in response to a gender discrimination lawsuit.

planetguy 14y ago
A few observations: 1. Oh, you lawyers. A carefully hidden sentence: "Plaintiff eventually succumbed to Mr Naszre's insistence on sexual relations on two or three occasions". That's the only indication in the entire document that this woman was, in fact, bangin' Mr Naszre. If you ask me, it should be pretty darn difficult to win a "sexual harassment" lawsuit against somebody if you willingly and consensually had sex with 'em both before and after the alleged harassment. Also, was it two or three? Is she really so unsure of the exact number? It's not like we're talking "fifteen or sixteen" times you cheated on your fiance with a married man, Ms Pao. 2. As for gender discrimination preventing her from moving up: you're a freaking partner. What's the next step up, exactly? I'm sure things might have been weird after she'd had sex with her coworker, but geez, you should have thought of that before you opened your legs, Ms Pao. This is not to deny that Mr Naszre had some culpability here too, they both share it. But since it's she rather than he who is doing the suing here it's more relevant to point out her own misconduct. edit: Removed namecalling.
- slantyyz 14y ago
  >> A few observations I think you threw a few judgments in there too.
- guywithabike 14y ago
  This is far and away the most shameful comment I've ever read on Hacker News.
- mikeryan 14y ago
  This may be the ugliest comment I've seen on HN. I'm ashamed.
  - planetguy 14y ago
    Lighten up, Francis.
    - shrikant 14y ago
      http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/ http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/
- coffeemug 14y ago
  I don't particularly have an opinion on the case (that's exactly what the courts are for), but you really could use a little tact. It took me years to figure out that just because I can say something, doesn't mean I should.
- sp332 14y ago
  If you ask me, it should be pretty darn difficult to win a "sexual harassment" lawsuit against somebody if you willingly and consensually had sex with 'em both before and after the alleged harassment. If you were in a relationship before (that included sex), then broke off the relationship, then were harassed into more sex afterward, that's still a criminal act of sexual harassment.
  - aheilbut 14y ago
    There wasn't any allegation of criminal acts. People might behave boorishly and be jerks, but that isn't a crime.
    - earbitscom 14y ago
      It is when it's sexual in nature and at work, which is what we're talking about here.
    - sp332 14y ago
      Right, sorry I forgot this was a civil case. This is definitely enough for a civil case.
- PakG1 14y ago
  Being a partner at a big firm may not mean what you think it does. http://www.quora.com/Venture-Capital/What-is-the-worst-part-of-being-a-VC/answers/1255581 http://www.quora.com/Venture-Capital/What-is-the-worst-part-...

by icki 14y ago

planetguy 14y ago

A few observations: 1. Oh, you lawyers. A carefully hidden sentence: "Plaintiff eventually succumbed to Mr Naszre's insistence on sexual relations on two or three occasions". That's the only indication in the entire document that this woman was, in fact, bangin' Mr Naszre. If you ask me, it should be pretty darn difficult to win a "sexual harassment" lawsuit against somebody if you willingly and consensually had sex with 'em both before and after the alleged harassment. Also, was it two or three? Is she really so unsure of the exact number? It's not like we're talking "fifteen or sixteen" times you cheated on your fiance with a married man, Ms Pao. 2. As for gender discrimination preventing her from moving up: you're a freaking partner. What's the next step up, exactly? I'm sure things might have been weird after she'd had sex with her coworker, but geez, you should have thought of that before you opened your legs, Ms Pao. This is not to deny that Mr Naszre had some culpability here too, they both share it. But since it's she rather than he who is doing the suing here it's more relevant to point out her own misconduct. edit: Removed namecalling.

slantyyz 14y ago
>> A few observations I think you threw a few judgments in there too.
guywithabike 14y ago
This is far and away the most shameful comment I've ever read on Hacker News.
mikeryan 14y ago
This may be the ugliest comment I've seen on HN. I'm ashamed.
- planetguy 14y ago
  Lighten up, Francis.
  - shrikant 14y ago
    http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/ http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/
coffeemug 14y ago
I don't particularly have an opinion on the case (that's exactly what the courts are for), but you really could use a little tact. It took me years to figure out that just because I can say something, doesn't mean I should.
sp332 14y ago
If you ask me, it should be pretty darn difficult to win a "sexual harassment" lawsuit against somebody if you willingly and consensually had sex with 'em both before and after the alleged harassment. If you were in a relationship before (that included sex), then broke off the relationship, then were harassed into more sex afterward, that's still a criminal act of sexual harassment.
- aheilbut 14y ago
  There wasn't any allegation of criminal acts. People might behave boorishly and be jerks, but that isn't a crime.
  - earbitscom 14y ago
    It is when it's sexual in nature and at work, which is what we're talking about here.
  - sp332 14y ago
    Right, sorry I forgot this was a civil case. This is definitely enough for a civil case.
PakG1 14y ago
Being a partner at a big firm may not mean what you think it does. http://www.quora.com/Venture-Capital/What-is-the-worst-part-of-being-a-VC/answers/1255581 http://www.quora.com/Venture-Capital/What-is-the-worst-part-...