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> a bunch of classmates which you have no choice about you get to associate with This is actually extremely valuable as a life experience, and not gaining it a

by ink_13 2y ago

> a bunch of classmates which you have no choice about you get to associate with This is actually extremely valuable as a life experience, and not gaining it as a child represents a major loss

geomark 2y ago
I hear that said but I completely disagree. Being surrounded by mostly game-addicted goal-less classmates is a drag on even a motivated high achiever. It was such a difference to have the flexibility of homeschooling and be able to get him in with some like-minded kids and watch him bloom (my anecdote, n=1).
- sanderjd 2y ago
  Both experiences seem useful to me. The first is useful as a lesson that lots of people are like this (which is just true) and maybe it's not what you want for yourself, and the second is useful for the obvious reasons. Finding time to get both of those lessons is hard though, I get it.
aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> This is actually extremely valuable as a life experience, and not gaining it as a child represents a major loss Indeed: if you don't get this life experience, you don't learn to cultivate a fervent hate towards other humans. :-( Whether this is a desirable trait for you children to get is up to you to decide ...
- sanderjd 2y ago
  The point is to figure out how to associate with arbitrary people without cultivating a "fervent hate" toward them. Everyone will have to participate in arbitrarily composed groups of people throughout life. Is it more or less likely for that experience to be one of hatred if exposed to it earlier or only later?
  - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
    > Is it more or less likely for that experience to be one of hatred if exposed to it earlier or only later? Rather: is it better if you are exposed to this in a jail-like situation or not? You can guess my answer.
    - sanderjd 2y ago
      School is significantly more like other totally normal settings where other people are present than it is like jail.
gregjor 2y ago
This happens with homeschooled kids too. My daughters didn't get to choose the other kids they took ice skating or salsa classes with. My son didn't get to pick the kids on his soccer team or Cub Scouts group. You're making a false dichotomy, as if homeschooled kids inhabit a parallel universe with no contact with kids who go to school. That just isn't the case.

by ink_13 2y ago

> a bunch of classmates which you have no choice about you get to associate with This is actually extremely valuable as a life experience, and not gaining it as a child represents a major loss

geomark 2y ago

I hear that said but I completely disagree. Being surrounded by mostly game-addicted goal-less classmates is a drag on even a motivated high achiever. It was such a difference to have the flexibility of homeschooling and be able to get him in with some like-minded kids and watch him bloom (my anecdote, n=1).

sanderjd 2y ago
Both experiences seem useful to me. The first is useful as a lesson that lots of people are like this (which is just true) and maybe it's not what you want for yourself, and the second is useful for the obvious reasons. Finding time to get both of those lessons is hard though, I get it.

aleph_minus_one 2y ago

> This is actually extremely valuable as a life experience, and not gaining it as a child represents a major loss Indeed: if you don't get this life experience, you don't learn to cultivate a fervent hate towards other humans. :-( Whether this is a desirable trait for you children to get is up to you to decide ...

sanderjd 2y ago
The point is to figure out how to associate with arbitrary people without cultivating a "fervent hate" toward them. Everyone will have to participate in arbitrarily composed groups of people throughout life. Is it more or less likely for that experience to be one of hatred if exposed to it earlier or only later?
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > Is it more or less likely for that experience to be one of hatred if exposed to it earlier or only later? Rather: is it better if you are exposed to this in a jail-like situation or not? You can guess my answer.
  - sanderjd 2y ago
    School is significantly more like other totally normal settings where other people are present than it is like jail.

gregjor 2y ago

This happens with homeschooled kids too. My daughters didn't get to choose the other kids they took ice skating or salsa classes with. My son didn't get to pick the kids on his soccer team or Cub Scouts group. You're making a false dichotomy, as if homeschooled kids inhabit a parallel universe with no contact with kids who go to school. That just isn't the case.