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Maybe this forces DDG and ChatGPT to make their own search engine index and corpus. Sure it might be a few years too late for the former, but thats probably wha

Maybe this forces DDG and ChatGPT to make their own search engine index and corpus. Sure it might be a few years too late for the former, but thats probably what they said 5 years ago too.

bogtog 2y ago
Do DDG and ChatGPT believe that they could do a better job of uptime than Microsoft?
- altdataseller 2y ago
  Its not just a question of uptime but dependencies too. The moment it doesnt make strategic sense to have an open Bing API for Microsoft, anyone reliant on them is in for a world of hurt. Especially if its the core feature of your product (ie DDG)
pityJuke 2y ago
Brave is genuinely impressive here in having their own index (granted, that’s the result of an acquisition rather than their own volition).
- BirAdam 2y ago
  Yeah. I like Brave Search. In my own usage it seems to offer far more useful results rather than 5 pages of ads.
Operyl 2y ago
With how aggressively Anthropic is crawling the internet right now, they might not be far behind. They’re hitting some web properties I oversee at 50 RPS in some cases and it’s frustrating.
ColinHayhurst 2y ago
Another option is to use multiple sources. For example Kagi who use Mojeek (self-disclosure) and others; "Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide"
siva7 2y ago
A rare outage should cause an executive to think "let's make our own search engine index"? If for every partner outage i would go "let's do it ourselves' i would be long out of business
- altdataseller 2y ago
  It should remind them their entire livelihood is dependent on one single company. They arent partners at all. Its more like one is sustenance/oxygen for the other
  - dextro42 2y ago
    But are they? Not asking for the contract side here but for the technical aspect. If DDG relies mostly on Bing and it fails forever in the future, they can "simply" make a contract with google and continue whatever they were doing. Same for OpenAI. Its not that Bing is the only search engine index on the web is it ? So yes, it would mean they have to spend a lot of manpower in a short time. On the other hand, how likely is it that Bing just goes offline? Do you always have a second datacenter in case your provider fails? Not everyone does it and as long as you have a way of putting things back up in reasonable time you are good to go.
    - pythux 2y ago
      What makes you think that Google would agree to such a deal?
      - jsnell 2y ago
        That they've been making those deals with other search engines for a long time (e.g. Kagi, Startpage, Mullvad Leta).

Maybe this forces DDG and ChatGPT to make their own search engine index and corpus. Sure it might be a few years too late for the former, but thats probably what they said 5 years ago too.

bogtog 2y ago

Do DDG and ChatGPT believe that they could do a better job of uptime than Microsoft?

altdataseller 2y ago
Its not just a question of uptime but dependencies too. The moment it doesnt make strategic sense to have an open Bing API for Microsoft, anyone reliant on them is in for a world of hurt. Especially if its the core feature of your product (ie DDG)

pityJuke 2y ago

Brave is genuinely impressive here in having their own index (granted, that’s the result of an acquisition rather than their own volition).

BirAdam 2y ago
Yeah. I like Brave Search. In my own usage it seems to offer far more useful results rather than 5 pages of ads.

Operyl 2y ago

With how aggressively Anthropic is crawling the internet right now, they might not be far behind. They’re hitting some web properties I oversee at 50 RPS in some cases and it’s frustrating.

ColinHayhurst 2y ago

Another option is to use multiple sources. For example Kagi who use Mojeek (self-disclosure) and others; "Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide"

siva7 2y ago

A rare outage should cause an executive to think "let's make our own search engine index"? If for every partner outage i would go "let's do it ourselves' i would be long out of business

altdataseller 2y ago
It should remind them their entire livelihood is dependent on one single company. They arent partners at all. Its more like one is sustenance/oxygen for the other
- dextro42 2y ago
  But are they? Not asking for the contract side here but for the technical aspect. If DDG relies mostly on Bing and it fails forever in the future, they can "simply" make a contract with google and continue whatever they were doing. Same for OpenAI. Its not that Bing is the only search engine index on the web is it ? So yes, it would mean they have to spend a lot of manpower in a short time. On the other hand, how likely is it that Bing just goes offline? Do you always have a second datacenter in case your provider fails? Not everyone does it and as long as you have a way of putting things back up in reasonable time you are good to go.
  - pythux 2y ago
    What makes you think that Google would agree to such a deal?
    - jsnell 2y ago
      That they've been making those deals with other search engines for a long time (e.g. Kagi, Startpage, Mullvad Leta).