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Which details are you thinking of? I was under the impression that with ray tracing, physically based materials, and fluid dynamics our computers wouldn't be ha

by kqr 2y ago

Which details are you thinking of? I was under the impression that with ray tracing, physically based materials, and fluid dynamics our computers wouldn't be hard-pressed to realistically render a static scene with light (of varying coherence and other properties) going through a piece of plastic and hitting swirling fog. The parameters of the scene need to be set up, yes, but then it would be just as easy to generate a few thousand frames from it. Also it's easier to version control for experimentation.

kthartic 2y ago
In 2015 (almost 10 years ago now) the tech probably wasn't as convincing as it is today. But I agree you could probably get like 90% there
- xattt 2y ago
  The Stranger Things intro scene is CGI. Artists were consulted who originally created similar titles in the 80s with practical effects to see how they could do it too. The old-school artists said to just do it in CGI because that’s what they would have done.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    People don’t hate CGI - they hate bad CGI. It’s hard to explain, but you know it when you see it. Bad practical effects do exist, but even when bad they don’t look “unnatural”.
    - jcl 2y ago
      I recall Amazon’s Lord of the Rings title sequence [1] received some criticism for looking fake, even though they filmed it practically [2]. I’d guess it was due to folks assuming title sequences are CGI, combined with the fact that few people really know what poured liquid metal is supposed to look like. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-dDyYgwkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-dDyYgwkc [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZEpWvQFXqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZEpWvQFXqQ
      - bombcar 2y ago
        There's a similar problem with gunshots and explosions - we want what movies have given us which is not what they actually act/sound like - so much so that live recordings of actual gunfire/explosions is often deemed "fake".
        ska 2y ago
        This is also the American/bald eagle problem. When people hear their actual cries, they’re often confused.
        bombcar 2y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ2uMauyBow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ2uMauyBow vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8SdqOT_no0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8SdqOT_no0
    - ramses0 2y ago
      Speaking of "Bad CGI", the making of the HBO Intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agS6ZXBrcng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agS6ZXBrcng
- dahart 2y ago
  That’s a reasonable guess if you don’t follow graphics developments, but the tech for producing realism hasn’t changed that much in the last 10 years, most of the realism developments have been incremental. The main thing that’s happened in CG in the last 10 years is speed and scale improvements. There were great fake-or-real CG photo contests in 2015 and earlier where some of the CG was photoreal enough to trick most people. The Windows wallpaper definitely could have been 100% there 10 years ago, for a skilled CG artist who knew what they wanted. The reasons for doing it practical don’t necessarily hinge on whether it was possible to do it in CG, there are good reasons to do it physically anyway.
magicalhippo 2y ago
Specular reflections and diffuse media (fog) makes for massive render times though, in my experience. I did something similarish with water a long time ago, using a spectral renderer, finding spectral data for ocean water absorption and reflection, realistic spectral sun/sky model, and a physically-based ocean wave simulator to create the surface. The underwater "caustic god rays" looked very nice and realistic, and setting it all up was easy once I had found the data. But it took ages to get rid of the noise.
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ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
Yes. But why would you do all these computer-ish things to provide a backdrop for a computer? Where is the creativity in that? Where is the attitude, the whimsy, the irony, the juxtaposition? Considering how much of current technology stems from geeks just proving that their crazy idea could work and looking for money for it afterwards, the disrespect here for another geek's craft and intuitions is wild.
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by kqr 2y ago

kthartic 2y ago

In 2015 (almost 10 years ago now) the tech probably wasn't as convincing as it is today. But I agree you could probably get like 90% there

xattt 2y ago
The Stranger Things intro scene is CGI. Artists were consulted who originally created similar titles in the 80s with practical effects to see how they could do it too. The old-school artists said to just do it in CGI because that’s what they would have done.
- bombcar 2y ago
  People don’t hate CGI - they hate bad CGI. It’s hard to explain, but you know it when you see it. Bad practical effects do exist, but even when bad they don’t look “unnatural”.
  - jcl 2y ago
    I recall Amazon’s Lord of the Rings title sequence [1] received some criticism for looking fake, even though they filmed it practically [2]. I’d guess it was due to folks assuming title sequences are CGI, combined with the fact that few people really know what poured liquid metal is supposed to look like. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-dDyYgwkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-dDyYgwkc [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZEpWvQFXqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZEpWvQFXqQ
    - bombcar 2y ago
      There's a similar problem with gunshots and explosions - we want what movies have given us which is not what they actually act/sound like - so much so that live recordings of actual gunfire/explosions is often deemed "fake".
      - ska 2y ago
        This is also the American/bald eagle problem. When people hear their actual cries, they’re often confused.
        bombcar 2y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ2uMauyBow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ2uMauyBow vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8SdqOT_no0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8SdqOT_no0
  - ramses0 2y ago
    Speaking of "Bad CGI", the making of the HBO Intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agS6ZXBrcng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agS6ZXBrcng
dahart 2y ago
That’s a reasonable guess if you don’t follow graphics developments, but the tech for producing realism hasn’t changed that much in the last 10 years, most of the realism developments have been incremental. The main thing that’s happened in CG in the last 10 years is speed and scale improvements. There were great fake-or-real CG photo contests in 2015 and earlier where some of the CG was photoreal enough to trick most people. The Windows wallpaper definitely could have been 100% there 10 years ago, for a skilled CG artist who knew what they wanted. The reasons for doing it practical don’t necessarily hinge on whether it was possible to do it in CG, there are good reasons to do it physically anyway.

magicalhippo 2y ago

Specular reflections and diffuse media (fog) makes for massive render times though, in my experience. I did something similarish with water a long time ago, using a spectral renderer, finding spectral data for ocean water absorption and reflection, realistic spectral sun/sky model, and a physically-based ocean wave simulator to create the surface. The underwater "caustic god rays" looked very nice and realistic, and setting it all up was easy once I had found the data. But it took ages to get rid of the noise.

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ecjhdnc2025 2y ago

Yes. But why would you do all these computer-ish things to provide a backdrop for a computer? Where is the creativity in that? Where is the attitude, the whimsy, the irony, the juxtaposition? Considering how much of current technology stems from geeks just proving that their crazy idea could work and looking for money for it afterwards, the disrespect here for another geek's craft and intuitions is wild.

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