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The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built si

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far, in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611). The return of Altman (within a week) (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239). Musk vs. OpenAI (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966). The departure of high-profile employees (Karpathy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 ,Sutskever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128). "Why can’t former OpenAI employees talk?" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121).

gdiamos 2y ago
Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.
- l0b0 2y ago
  I would like to answer that, but OpenAI could probably spend $100,000 per detractor to crush them and still laugh all the way to the bank.
- jnsaff2 2y ago
  Money. The hype is really strong, the hype might even be justified, insane amounts of money flow in. There is a land grab going on. Blood is in the water, all the sharks are circling.
  - nicce 2y ago
    After all that money, nobody can never even think of saying that it was wasted. To keep the investment value high and justifiable, they all agree and go on with the hype. Until the end.
  - interludead 2y ago
    Money is the root of all evil...
- pjc50 2y ago
  The best case business pitch is total replacement of all white collar jobs. It's even more a "take over the world" pitch than regular tech companies. Now, quite a lot of that is unrealistic and will never be delivered, but which bit? AI raises all sorts of extremely non-tech questions about power, which causes all the drama. Edit: also, they've selected for people who won't ask ethical questions. Thus running into the classic villain problem of building an organization out of opportunistic traitors.
- viraptor 2y ago
  Thank you for making me laugh. Seriously, I think working for openai already selected for people who are ok with playing in the grey area. They know they ignore copyright and a few other rules. It's not surprising to me that they would also not be very nice to each other internally.
- wouldbecouldbe 2y ago
  It's probably the perceived value & power it has. They think they are about to change the entire world. And a very large but of the world agrees. (I personally think it's a great tool but exaggerated) But that created an very big power play where people don't act normal anymore and the most powerhungry people come out to play.
  - roncesvalles 2y ago
    I feel like the drama is, at least in part, borne from the fact that its impact is greatly exaggerated. Nothing's really changed.
- ActionHank 2y ago
  They are just marketing for Microsoft's AI now. It's all just drama to draw attention and investor money, that's it. When the inventors leave there is nothing left to do but sell more.
  - siegecraft 2y ago
    people are starting to realize they don't have any significant technical advantages over other AI companies. so all they have left is hype or trying to build a boring enterprise business where they sell a bunch of AI services to other large companies, and their lack of experience in that area is showing.
- cheq 2y ago
  I work for a tech startup doing communication and mkt. I'm sick of engineers sucking Sam's dick and believing every demo they watch. Even after seeing what Altman's is capable of perform in the stage. I'm also sick of the scene trying to sell "AI" (whatever that means) next to everything. We even go out of our way to promise stupid impossible stuff when we talk about multimodal or generative... It doesn't matter, it needs to sell. Just to give a sickening example, I was approached by the CEO to fix a very bad deepfake video that some "AI" Engineer made with tools available. They requested me to use After Effects and editing to make the lips sync.... On top of that, this industry is driving billions of investment into something that is probably the death sentence for a lot of workers, cultures, and society, and that is not fixing or helping in ANY other way to our current world problems.
Workaccount2 2y ago
The whole media is _clearly_ threatened by AI. Both subjectively just thinking about it, and objectively seeing things like Google already roll out AI summaries of internet content (saving consumers the need scroll through a power points worth of auto-play ads to read a single paragraphs worth of information.) With the breakneck progress of AI over the last year, there has been a clear trend in the media of "Wow, this is amazing (and a little scary)" to "AI is an illegal dumpster fire and needs to be killed you should stop using it and companies should stop making it"
- perfect_wave 2y ago
  The same AI summaries that told people to put glue on pizza? And got mass coverage for providing all sorts of incorrect info?
Wurdan 2y ago
I'd say you can add the time Altman threatened to pull OpenAI out of the EU if its regulation wasn't to his liking https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-may-leave-eu-if-regulations-bite-ceo-2023-05-24/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-may-leave-eu-if-re...
- ddalex 2y ago
  "If you're not letting me play, I shall not play!"
m463 2y ago
I think it's to the point that a book deal or expose might be more profitable than the lost equity.
tim333 2y ago
And of course Scarlett which is beating Musk in votes and comments (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225)
CRConrad 2y ago
Don't indent lists like that; it makes HN present them as code, so the URLs in them don't become clickable links.
CRConrad 2y ago
Parent comment's links, but (hopefully) clickable. OpenAI's deviation from its original mission - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981 The Altman's Saga – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611). The return of Altman (within a week) -https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239 Musk vs. OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966 The departure of high-profile employees - Karpathy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 Sutskever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 "Why can’t former OpenAI employees talk?" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121

gdiamos 2y ago

Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.

l0b0 2y ago
I would like to answer that, but OpenAI could probably spend $100,000 per detractor to crush them and still laugh all the way to the bank.
jnsaff2 2y ago
Money. The hype is really strong, the hype might even be justified, insane amounts of money flow in. There is a land grab going on. Blood is in the water, all the sharks are circling.
- nicce 2y ago
  After all that money, nobody can never even think of saying that it was wasted. To keep the investment value high and justifiable, they all agree and go on with the hype. Until the end.
- interludead 2y ago
  Money is the root of all evil...
pjc50 2y ago
The best case business pitch is total replacement of all white collar jobs. It's even more a "take over the world" pitch than regular tech companies. Now, quite a lot of that is unrealistic and will never be delivered, but which bit? AI raises all sorts of extremely non-tech questions about power, which causes all the drama. Edit: also, they've selected for people who won't ask ethical questions. Thus running into the classic villain problem of building an organization out of opportunistic traitors.
viraptor 2y ago
Thank you for making me laugh. Seriously, I think working for openai already selected for people who are ok with playing in the grey area. They know they ignore copyright and a few other rules. It's not surprising to me that they would also not be very nice to each other internally.
wouldbecouldbe 2y ago
It's probably the perceived value & power it has. They think they are about to change the entire world. And a very large but of the world agrees. (I personally think it's a great tool but exaggerated) But that created an very big power play where people don't act normal anymore and the most powerhungry people come out to play.
- roncesvalles 2y ago
  I feel like the drama is, at least in part, borne from the fact that its impact is greatly exaggerated. Nothing's really changed.
ActionHank 2y ago
They are just marketing for Microsoft's AI now. It's all just drama to draw attention and investor money, that's it. When the inventors leave there is nothing left to do but sell more.
- siegecraft 2y ago
  people are starting to realize they don't have any significant technical advantages over other AI companies. so all they have left is hype or trying to build a boring enterprise business where they sell a bunch of AI services to other large companies, and their lack of experience in that area is showing.
cheq 2y ago
I work for a tech startup doing communication and mkt. I'm sick of engineers sucking Sam's dick and believing every demo they watch. Even after seeing what Altman's is capable of perform in the stage. I'm also sick of the scene trying to sell "AI" (whatever that means) next to everything. We even go out of our way to promise stupid impossible stuff when we talk about multimodal or generative... It doesn't matter, it needs to sell. Just to give a sickening example, I was approached by the CEO to fix a very bad deepfake video that some "AI" Engineer made with tools available. They requested me to use After Effects and editing to make the lips sync.... On top of that, this industry is driving billions of investment into something that is probably the death sentence for a lot of workers, cultures, and society, and that is not fixing or helping in ANY other way to our current world problems.

Workaccount2 2y ago

The whole media is _clearly_ threatened by AI. Both subjectively just thinking about it, and objectively seeing things like Google already roll out AI summaries of internet content (saving consumers the need scroll through a power points worth of auto-play ads to read a single paragraphs worth of information.) With the breakneck progress of AI over the last year, there has been a clear trend in the media of "Wow, this is amazing (and a little scary)" to "AI is an illegal dumpster fire and needs to be killed you should stop using it and companies should stop making it"

perfect_wave 2y ago
The same AI summaries that told people to put glue on pizza? And got mass coverage for providing all sorts of incorrect info?

Wurdan 2y ago

I'd say you can add the time Altman threatened to pull OpenAI out of the EU if its regulation wasn't to his liking https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-may-leave-eu-if-regulations-bite-ceo-2023-05-24/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-may-leave-eu-if-re...

ddalex 2y ago
"If you're not letting me play, I shall not play!"

m463 2y ago

I think it's to the point that a book deal or expose might be more profitable than the lost equity.

tim333 2y ago

And of course Scarlett which is beating Musk in votes and comments (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225)

CRConrad 2y ago

Don't indent lists like that; it makes HN present them as code, so the URLs in them don't become clickable links.

CRConrad 2y ago

Parent comment's links, but (hopefully) clickable. OpenAI's deviation from its original mission - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981 The Altman's Saga – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611). The return of Altman (within a week) -https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239 Musk vs. OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966 The departure of high-profile employees - Karpathy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 Sutskever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 "Why can’t former OpenAI employees talk?" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121