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So, front end devs are also engineers now ? Like, my friend who took a 3 month js / react bootcamp and is working as a front end dev for our local pizza place,

So, front end devs are also engineers now ? Like, my friend who took a 3 month js / react bootcamp and is working as a front end dev for our local pizza place, she's an engineer now ? Cool.

pavlov 2y ago
1997 called, they want their prejudice back. “Web designers are not even programmers”
- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  haha. Semantics are important. Words carry meaning, we use them to convey information.
  - geraldwhen 2y ago
    Anyone can build a bridge much like anyone can make an HTML page render. Building a half mile suspension bridge supporting millions of cars per day will require a different depth of understanding.
art0rz 2y ago
What is the definition of an engineer in your eyes? In some countries there is a legal definition, so developers are not allowed to call themselves engineers unless they have an engineering degree (and not the software kind).
- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  It is not about my personal definition, there are even laws as you said. I just find it silly to use a definition that you typically need 4-6 years of maths heavy formal education for front end javascript that you can learn on youtube in a month.
  - onion2k 2y ago
    there are even laws as you said Not in my country..
  - whstl 2y ago
    I'm one of those "real engineers" that studied 4-6 years of maths, and this gatekeeping feels very silly to me. Some frontend developers are doing more actual engineering than I did when I was working as an actual electrical engineer, and I was working on buildings and shit. Not all frontend devs, though, and certainly not the ones straight out of a bootcamp, but a lot are. But the people building foundations for others to work on (like the target audience for this library) definitely are doing some sort of engineering.
  - Alifatisk 2y ago
    In some regions, the title engineer is not a protected title, so you could call yourself a css engineer or whatever and it’s perfectly fine.
agos 2y ago
I expect better from the HN than gatekeeping against front end developers
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So, front end devs are also engineers now ? Like, my friend who took a 3 month js / react bootcamp and is working as a front end dev for our local pizza place, she's an engineer now ? Cool.

pavlov 2y ago

1997 called, they want their prejudice back. “Web designers are not even programmers”

4gotunameagain 2y ago
haha. Semantics are important. Words carry meaning, we use them to convey information.
- geraldwhen 2y ago
  Anyone can build a bridge much like anyone can make an HTML page render. Building a half mile suspension bridge supporting millions of cars per day will require a different depth of understanding.

art0rz 2y ago

What is the definition of an engineer in your eyes? In some countries there is a legal definition, so developers are not allowed to call themselves engineers unless they have an engineering degree (and not the software kind).

4gotunameagain 2y ago
It is not about my personal definition, there are even laws as you said. I just find it silly to use a definition that you typically need 4-6 years of maths heavy formal education for front end javascript that you can learn on youtube in a month.
- onion2k 2y ago
  there are even laws as you said Not in my country..
- whstl 2y ago
  I'm one of those "real engineers" that studied 4-6 years of maths, and this gatekeeping feels very silly to me. Some frontend developers are doing more actual engineering than I did when I was working as an actual electrical engineer, and I was working on buildings and shit. Not all frontend devs, though, and certainly not the ones straight out of a bootcamp, but a lot are. But the people building foundations for others to work on (like the target audience for this library) definitely are doing some sort of engineering.
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  In some regions, the title engineer is not a protected title, so you could call yourself a css engineer or whatever and it’s perfectly fine.

agos 2y ago

I expect better from the HN than gatekeeping against front end developers

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