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Then why pull the voice in the first place? If it goes to court I’m sure discovery will unearth a bunch of emails and slack messages pertaining to this as well

Then why pull the voice in the first place? If it goes to court I’m sure discovery will unearth a bunch of emails and slack messages pertaining to this as well as documentation about the make up of their training sets and casting and performance notes for the voice talent. Hopefully they’re under legal hold now.

nusl 2y ago
Pulling things at first signs of an outcry seems to be the thing to do. It's hard to know how folks would have reacted had they not pulled it.
ben_w 2y ago
> Then why pull the voice in the first place? Several possible reasons. 1. They're not actively malicious and have the emotional capacity to feel embarrassed 2. They know they were talking about her voice and making comparisons and that this is A Bad Look and they've had a terrible week PR-wise already 3. Might be a trademark violation, I'm not sure how that law works (in general let alone voice) but there's a reason why Pear Computer had to change their logo
- gnicholas 2y ago
  1 is possible, 2 strikes me as unlikely (how bad of a week was it? I didn't get that sense). 3 doesn't make sense — this has nothing to do with trademark law. A logo is a 'mark' that identifies a brand, but a voice is not a 'mark.'
  - ben_w 2y ago
    #2 because they're humans and humans act emotionally — it's entirely possible for them to just go "aaaa" like all the people in comments sections do regularly. #3 famous people do seem to have some control over their likeness; I don't know how real that control is or anything about how it works, just that it looks like this from the outside. IANAL, so treat that as a claim of analogy not literal.
skepticATX 2y ago
Exactly. All this reporting says is that the actress wasn’t explicitly told to copy “Her”. We still don’t know about the intentions of OpenAI throughout all of this. With Sam’s seeming obsession with the movie, are we really supposed to believe that the company never discussed it internally?

nusl 2y ago

Pulling things at first signs of an outcry seems to be the thing to do. It's hard to know how folks would have reacted had they not pulled it.

ben_w 2y ago

> Then why pull the voice in the first place? Several possible reasons. 1. They're not actively malicious and have the emotional capacity to feel embarrassed 2. They know they were talking about her voice and making comparisons and that this is A Bad Look and they've had a terrible week PR-wise already 3. Might be a trademark violation, I'm not sure how that law works (in general let alone voice) but there's a reason why Pear Computer had to change their logo

gnicholas 2y ago
1 is possible, 2 strikes me as unlikely (how bad of a week was it? I didn't get that sense). 3 doesn't make sense — this has nothing to do with trademark law. A logo is a 'mark' that identifies a brand, but a voice is not a 'mark.'
- ben_w 2y ago
  #2 because they're humans and humans act emotionally — it's entirely possible for them to just go "aaaa" like all the people in comments sections do regularly. #3 famous people do seem to have some control over their likeness; I don't know how real that control is or anything about how it works, just that it looks like this from the outside. IANAL, so treat that as a claim of analogy not literal.

skepticATX 2y ago

Exactly. All this reporting says is that the actress wasn’t explicitly told to copy “Her”. We still don’t know about the intentions of OpenAI throughout all of this. With Sam’s seeming obsession with the movie, are we really supposed to believe that the company never discussed it internally?