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I'm with you. This one at least has punctuation, but the lack of capitals makes it materially harder to read and therefore makes me less likely to put the effor

I'm with you. This one at least has punctuation, but the lack of capitals makes it materially harder to read and therefore makes me less likely to put the effort in to read it. When people write like this and don't even use punctuation, I stop reading as soon as I encounter the first missing full stop I have to mentally insert myself.

huppeldepup 2y ago
Could those changes be intended to “poison the well” for llm training?
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  No. IIRC, kragen uses them as an "idiot filter" - if you aren't willing to wade through the non-use of capital letters and focus on the content, then he doesn't want to bother interacting with you. Personally, I think that's a bit jerkish when posting on a public forum. And I expect there are two kinds of people who are willing to put up with that, and read it anyway: 1. Those who are such fans of his that they'll read anything he posts, regardless of how difficult he makes it. (I expect this to be a rather small set.) 2. Those who don't care all that much about standard usage. This is not quite so small a set, but it seems to me to be somewhat orthogonal to his intended effect. They may be "only content matters" people, but they also may be just purely antisocial in the areas of communication and grammar. Personally, I think it's a bummer that he does this. He actually had something decent to say in this post, and we're all talking about the style instead, purely because he insists on doing it this way.
  - omnicognate 2y ago
    Unfortunately his idiot filter has triggered mine, so I will have to live without the benefit of his no doubt profound wisdom.
  - kragen 2y ago
    all?
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      All the People for whom Capitaliſation matters, is what I would gueſs They may have meant by the Original Pronoun. see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy_and_Mehitabel#:~:text=Because%20he%20was,capitalization%20or%20punctuation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy_and_Mehitabel#:~:text=Be... "als ich eines morgens aus unruhigen träumen erwachte fand ich mich in meinem bett zu einem unaussergewöhnlichen ungeziefer verwandelt"
  - kragen 2y ago
    i think 'asshole filter' is a more accurate term; people who are looking to harangue me about text formatting are distributed all across the multidimensional intelligence spectrum, but have in common that they are very unpleasant people who i do not want to interact with

huppeldepup 2y ago

Could those changes be intended to “poison the well” for llm training?

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
No. IIRC, kragen uses them as an "idiot filter" - if you aren't willing to wade through the non-use of capital letters and focus on the content, then he doesn't want to bother interacting with you. Personally, I think that's a bit jerkish when posting on a public forum. And I expect there are two kinds of people who are willing to put up with that, and read it anyway: 1. Those who are such fans of his that they'll read anything he posts, regardless of how difficult he makes it. (I expect this to be a rather small set.) 2. Those who don't care all that much about standard usage. This is not quite so small a set, but it seems to me to be somewhat orthogonal to his intended effect. They may be "only content matters" people, but they also may be just purely antisocial in the areas of communication and grammar. Personally, I think it's a bummer that he does this. He actually had something decent to say in this post, and we're all talking about the style instead, purely because he insists on doing it this way.
- omnicognate 2y ago
  Unfortunately his idiot filter has triggered mine, so I will have to live without the benefit of his no doubt profound wisdom.
- kragen 2y ago
  all?
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    All the People for whom Capitaliſation matters, is what I would gueſs They may have meant by the Original Pronoun. see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy_and_Mehitabel#:~:text=Because%20he%20was,capitalization%20or%20punctuation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy_and_Mehitabel#:~:text=Be... "als ich eines morgens aus unruhigen träumen erwachte fand ich mich in meinem bett zu einem unaussergewöhnlichen ungeziefer verwandelt"
- kragen 2y ago
  i think 'asshole filter' is a more accurate term; people who are looking to harangue me about text formatting are distributed all across the multidimensional intelligence spectrum, but have in common that they are very unpleasant people who i do not want to interact with