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The biggest technical achievement of Facebook has been scaling Facebook. They've solved a lot of difficult technical problems to do so. And News Feed, Connect,

by qq66 14y ago

The biggest technical achievement of Facebook has been scaling Facebook. They've solved a lot of difficult technical problems to do so. And News Feed, Connect, and Open Graph are all huge steps forward in Facebook's ambition, although the third-party ecosystem still leaves something to be desired. Thank god that Facebook killed Evite, but now I'm hoping for someone/something to kill Washington Post Social Reader.

ajross 14y ago
But again, Google did all that stuff too (almost 1:1, even -- remember that G+ is a facebook clone). And somehow they also found time to make self driving cars, a first tier mobile operating system, ChromsOS, a Dropbox clone, these ridiculous glasses, etc... Facebook just looks pretty lame in comparison, sorry.
- llimllib 14y ago
  > Google did all that stuff too (almost 1:1, even -- remember that G+ is a facebook clone That misses qq66's point; G+ isn't a 1:1 clone exactly because it doesn't do anything like a quarter billion photos per day. I'm not doubting G's potential to handle Facebook scale, but they're very far away from it right now.
  - gvb 14y ago
    What about Youtube? Picassa? Indexing the whole internet? That is some amazing scale.
  - katbyte 14y ago
    I would say the scales youtube and google search operate at show that they could easily handle google+ at facebook's scale.
  - icebraining 14y ago
    Youtube handles 3.7x10⁹ frames per day (assuming 12 fps video, which is a low estimate). That's 3.7 billion frames that have to be converted and checked against an enourmous database of copyrighted content. You're right that G+ doesn't, but FB doesn't have anything on Google on scaling.
- 51Cards 14y ago
  Don't forget Google Docs, Maps, StreetView, Gmail...
- qq66 14y ago
  You do realize that Google has 10 times the employees, revenues, profits, etc. of Facebook?
  - ajross 14y ago
    Of course. But it's a culture thing. Google was producing great innovative madness when they were 1/10th its size size. And Facebook had what is essentially their core service already in place when they were 1/10th their current size. They've since done very little that's interesting. I don't see why that's controversial, nor why so many people feel the need to "defend" them.
    - fear91 14y ago
      The only thing that Google didn't fail with was search. Stop pretending there is anything else they've made which can't be labeled as mediocre copy at best.
      - ajross 14y ago
        Please. Maps, Chrome and Gmail alone make what you said an absurdist lie. (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and put AdSense/AdWords under "search" instead of calling them a separate product.) Youtube and Blogger were acquisitions, but have done, y'know, pretty well under Google's roof. Android seems to be kinda successful for something that's a "mediocre copy at best". And those are just the big products. They've had a ton of little successes too, like Earth, Docs, Sketchup, Voice... And they've had a lot of products that look like clones (Drive, Groups). And they've had a lot of bona fide failures too. But the point is that Google produces stuff. Facebook kinda doesn't. They improve their existing product and add features to it. Maybe that will change (c.f. Instagram), or maybe it won't. But right now I don't think you can say that Facebook has a culture of innovation in the same way that Google (or Apple, or hell, even Microsoft -- companies that ship new products regularly) does.
        fear91 14y ago
        I am not a fan of Facebook so don't label me as such. Google is known for its spectacular flops. The fact that they've used their cash to buy already successful services doesn't make them creative. I view google as completely unimaginative company. Their search was nice once but right now their search results look like christmas tree so I can't admire them for that either. Basically, google sucks.

by qq66 14y ago

ajross 14y ago

But again, Google did all that stuff too (almost 1:1, even -- remember that G+ is a facebook clone). And somehow they also found time to make self driving cars, a first tier mobile operating system, ChromsOS, a Dropbox clone, these ridiculous glasses, etc... Facebook just looks pretty lame in comparison, sorry.

llimllib 14y ago
> Google did all that stuff too (almost 1:1, even -- remember that G+ is a facebook clone That misses qq66's point; G+ isn't a 1:1 clone exactly because it doesn't do anything like a quarter billion photos per day. I'm not doubting G's potential to handle Facebook scale, but they're very far away from it right now.
- gvb 14y ago
  What about Youtube? Picassa? Indexing the whole internet? That is some amazing scale.
- katbyte 14y ago
  I would say the scales youtube and google search operate at show that they could easily handle google+ at facebook's scale.
- icebraining 14y ago
  Youtube handles 3.7x10⁹ frames per day (assuming 12 fps video, which is a low estimate). That's 3.7 billion frames that have to be converted and checked against an enourmous database of copyrighted content. You're right that G+ doesn't, but FB doesn't have anything on Google on scaling.
51Cards 14y ago
Don't forget Google Docs, Maps, StreetView, Gmail...
qq66 14y ago
You do realize that Google has 10 times the employees, revenues, profits, etc. of Facebook?
- ajross 14y ago
  Of course. But it's a culture thing. Google was producing great innovative madness when they were 1/10th its size size. And Facebook had what is essentially their core service already in place when they were 1/10th their current size. They've since done very little that's interesting. I don't see why that's controversial, nor why so many people feel the need to "defend" them.
  - fear91 14y ago
    The only thing that Google didn't fail with was search. Stop pretending there is anything else they've made which can't be labeled as mediocre copy at best.
    - ajross 14y ago
      Please. Maps, Chrome and Gmail alone make what you said an absurdist lie. (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and put AdSense/AdWords under "search" instead of calling them a separate product.) Youtube and Blogger were acquisitions, but have done, y'know, pretty well under Google's roof. Android seems to be kinda successful for something that's a "mediocre copy at best". And those are just the big products. They've had a ton of little successes too, like Earth, Docs, Sketchup, Voice... And they've had a lot of products that look like clones (Drive, Groups). And they've had a lot of bona fide failures too. But the point is that Google produces stuff. Facebook kinda doesn't. They improve their existing product and add features to it. Maybe that will change (c.f. Instagram), or maybe it won't. But right now I don't think you can say that Facebook has a culture of innovation in the same way that Google (or Apple, or hell, even Microsoft -- companies that ship new products regularly) does.
      - fear91 14y ago
        I am not a fan of Facebook so don't label me as such. Google is known for its spectacular flops. The fact that they've used their cash to buy already successful services doesn't make them creative. I view google as completely unimaginative company. Their search was nice once but right now their search results look like christmas tree so I can't admire them for that either. Basically, google sucks.