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It has a good text editor now, thanks to evil-mode

by john2x 2y ago

cmrdporcupine 2y ago
the actual base standard emacs keybindings are great and always have been, esp if you have a real keyboard
- gray_-_wolf 2y ago
  Not a huge fan of C-x o. Always remap it to M-o. Dunno, maybe my workflow is just bad, but I switch windows a lot.
  - thom 2y ago
    I generally use windmove, and have Ctrl-Shift-F/B/P/N move to the window in the respective direction.
- p_l 2y ago
  The fun thing is that a bunch of the oldest bindings are essentially a random sampling of keybinds used by different people when original TECO EMACS was coalescing into existence. But a common pattern was that the systems majorly used with Emacs as the keybindings evolved all had mirrored bucky bits which means instead of using left pinky finger for Control key when hitting C-x C-f many would use right thumb for Control and left hand for X and F.
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    I mean, the other fun thing is that the vi keybindings are also a product of the really terribly anemic keyboard that the ADM-3A terminal it was developed for had, and was also a product of the conventions developed by line editors like 'ed'. And so there's nothing virtuously ergonomic about the vim keybindings and people who try to make it seem like there's some UX genius there (and to be fair, also with emacs) are often involved in a rather elitist game of retcon. Emacs at least evolved on systems that had much richer keyboards, and with the deliberate intent to make use of those extra keys but also make it possible for people to just muck with it and make it whatever they wanted. In the late 80s, early 90s when I got my start on Unix... I specifically chose emacs over vi because it let me use exotic novelties like... arrow keys.
  - amszmidt 2y ago
    The left pinky finger would not have been used for hitting left Control in Emacs back then, rather one would have used the left _thumb_; the Control key was positioned beside the space bar on both sides. To use the left pinky on those keyboards for left Control, you would have to leave the home row completely, and shit your wrists awkwardly....

It has a good text editor now, thanks to evil-mode

by john2x 2y ago

It has a good text editor now, thanks to evil-mode

cmrdporcupine 2y ago

the actual base standard emacs keybindings are great and always have been, esp if you have a real keyboard

gray_-_wolf 2y ago
Not a huge fan of C-x o. Always remap it to M-o. Dunno, maybe my workflow is just bad, but I switch windows a lot.
- thom 2y ago
  I generally use windmove, and have Ctrl-Shift-F/B/P/N move to the window in the respective direction.
p_l 2y ago
The fun thing is that a bunch of the oldest bindings are essentially a random sampling of keybinds used by different people when original TECO EMACS was coalescing into existence. But a common pattern was that the systems majorly used with Emacs as the keybindings evolved all had mirrored bucky bits which means instead of using left pinky finger for Control key when hitting C-x C-f many would use right thumb for Control and left hand for X and F.
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  I mean, the other fun thing is that the vi keybindings are also a product of the really terribly anemic keyboard that the ADM-3A terminal it was developed for had, and was also a product of the conventions developed by line editors like 'ed'. And so there's nothing virtuously ergonomic about the vim keybindings and people who try to make it seem like there's some UX genius there (and to be fair, also with emacs) are often involved in a rather elitist game of retcon. Emacs at least evolved on systems that had much richer keyboards, and with the deliberate intent to make use of those extra keys but also make it possible for people to just muck with it and make it whatever they wanted. In the late 80s, early 90s when I got my start on Unix... I specifically chose emacs over vi because it let me use exotic novelties like... arrow keys.
- amszmidt 2y ago
  The left pinky finger would not have been used for hitting left Control in Emacs back then, rather one would have used the left _thumb_; the Control key was positioned beside the space bar on both sides. To use the left pinky on those keyboards for left Control, you would have to leave the home row completely, and shit your wrists awkwardly....