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That's ridiculous, it's not every single time. The examples you list are because of drivers blatantly breaking the law. If a pedestrian walks across the road

That's ridiculous, it's not every single time. The examples you list are because of drivers blatantly breaking the law. If a pedestrian walks across the road without giving way and only manages to backtrack because they heard a vehicle, that's a near miss that is the fault of a pedestrian not the driver. Drivers do not have all the responsibility in all cases.

scotty79 2y ago
It's always drivers fault because they are the ones who chose to operate heavy machinery in the vicinity of random people.
- Tade0 2y ago
  A while ago I had to brake hard because a person jumped onto the highway trying to cross it. Would it be my fault if we made contact?
  - scotty79 2y ago
    yes, if there are pedestrians present around your anticipated trajectory you should always adjust your speed to the level that lets you stop if they for whatever reason decide to cross you trajectory same if there are any occlusions that prevent you from making sure that there are no people that could cross your trajectory
    - Tade0 2y ago
      He emerged from behind an acoustic panel, so I wasn't seeing him there - he wasn't even supposed to be there anyway. Actually, if I arrived a second later I would not have enough time to react. Would it be still my fault then?
      - scotty79 2y ago
        > He emerged from behind an acoustic panel, so I wasn't seeing him there You were seeing acoustic panel, and the edge of it from where someone could conceivably emerge. Yes. You might think it's unfair. But the world and life and even law is unfair from time to time. Getting behind the wheel means taking upon yourself a risk of consequences of events you are not in full control of. You are in control of how much risk you want to accept. If on a given road it is strictly forbidden to exceed some speed it doesn't meant that you can safely drive at this limit or you are absolved of responsibility of consequences of doing so. If you were doing 90 instead of 130 (assuming it was allowed there) you'd have more time to react and less risk so a second wouldn't be a matter of life and death.
        Tade0 2y ago
        > You might think it's unfair. I'm thinking this is either deep-fried sarcasm or a fringe point of view unsupported by any court of law. Do you honestly believe this or are you leading me on?
        scotty79 2y ago
        You are right that this is unsupported by the current law. It's mostly due to lobbying by car and fuel companies. They invented the concept of jaywalking and threw money to promote it until it stuck. Personally I don't care as much about law as about being a moral person. Law doesn't absolve me of responsibility I feel and of guilt. If you killed the guy with your car you might find out that you don't feel entirely absolved as well. I just drive accordingly. I am aware that I have it easier because I don't live in US and infrastructure where I drove ao far wasn't horrible. There are no such things as stroad here.
        Tade0 2y ago
        > I just drive accordingly. How do you adjust your driving to people appearing in places they're explicitly forbidden to, like on a fenced off highway? > I am aware that I have it easier because I don't live in US and infrastructure where I drove ao far wasn't horrible. There are no such things as stroad here. I also don't live in the US. Were you assuming I'm American all this time?
    - NoPicklez 2y ago
      I think if you were travelling the speed limit on a road with a sidewalk and someone comes flying out onto the road on a pushbike and you hit them. You would not be at fault.
      - scotty79 2y ago
        You shouldn't be doing a speed limit on a road with a sidewalk on a lane directly adjacent to a sidewalk that's not empty. But I agree that cyclists and others similar are super scary. Still, it's not always about if you hit somebody but about how hard you hit them.
- echoangle 2y ago
  That’s just ridiculous, you can for sure come up with scenarios where you just can’t do anything as a driver? With this logic, you couldn’t ever drive faster than 20 km/h next to a sidewalk because someone could suddenly jump onto the street. Do you do that?
  - scotty79 2y ago
    if there are people on the sidewalk, yes, or if I don't see the side walk to verify that there are no people there
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  They aren't random people, in this example, they are pedestrian's who choose to cross public infrastructure without giving way to heavy machinery that has right of way.

scotty79 2y ago

It's always drivers fault because they are the ones who chose to operate heavy machinery in the vicinity of random people.

Tade0 2y ago
A while ago I had to brake hard because a person jumped onto the highway trying to cross it. Would it be my fault if we made contact?
- scotty79 2y ago
  yes, if there are pedestrians present around your anticipated trajectory you should always adjust your speed to the level that lets you stop if they for whatever reason decide to cross you trajectory same if there are any occlusions that prevent you from making sure that there are no people that could cross your trajectory
  - Tade0 2y ago
    He emerged from behind an acoustic panel, so I wasn't seeing him there - he wasn't even supposed to be there anyway. Actually, if I arrived a second later I would not have enough time to react. Would it be still my fault then?
    - scotty79 2y ago
      > He emerged from behind an acoustic panel, so I wasn't seeing him there You were seeing acoustic panel, and the edge of it from where someone could conceivably emerge. Yes. You might think it's unfair. But the world and life and even law is unfair from time to time. Getting behind the wheel means taking upon yourself a risk of consequences of events you are not in full control of. You are in control of how much risk you want to accept. If on a given road it is strictly forbidden to exceed some speed it doesn't meant that you can safely drive at this limit or you are absolved of responsibility of consequences of doing so. If you were doing 90 instead of 130 (assuming it was allowed there) you'd have more time to react and less risk so a second wouldn't be a matter of life and death.
      - Tade0 2y ago
        > You might think it's unfair. I'm thinking this is either deep-fried sarcasm or a fringe point of view unsupported by any court of law. Do you honestly believe this or are you leading me on?
        scotty79 2y ago
        You are right that this is unsupported by the current law. It's mostly due to lobbying by car and fuel companies. They invented the concept of jaywalking and threw money to promote it until it stuck. Personally I don't care as much about law as about being a moral person. Law doesn't absolve me of responsibility I feel and of guilt. If you killed the guy with your car you might find out that you don't feel entirely absolved as well. I just drive accordingly. I am aware that I have it easier because I don't live in US and infrastructure where I drove ao far wasn't horrible. There are no such things as stroad here.
        Tade0 2y ago
        > I just drive accordingly. How do you adjust your driving to people appearing in places they're explicitly forbidden to, like on a fenced off highway? > I am aware that I have it easier because I don't live in US and infrastructure where I drove ao far wasn't horrible. There are no such things as stroad here. I also don't live in the US. Were you assuming I'm American all this time?
  - NoPicklez 2y ago
    I think if you were travelling the speed limit on a road with a sidewalk and someone comes flying out onto the road on a pushbike and you hit them. You would not be at fault.
    - scotty79 2y ago
      You shouldn't be doing a speed limit on a road with a sidewalk on a lane directly adjacent to a sidewalk that's not empty. But I agree that cyclists and others similar are super scary. Still, it's not always about if you hit somebody but about how hard you hit them.
echoangle 2y ago
That’s just ridiculous, you can for sure come up with scenarios where you just can’t do anything as a driver? With this logic, you couldn’t ever drive faster than 20 km/h next to a sidewalk because someone could suddenly jump onto the street. Do you do that?
- scotty79 2y ago
  if there are people on the sidewalk, yes, or if I don't see the side walk to verify that there are no people there
NoPicklez 2y ago
They aren't random people, in this example, they are pedestrian's who choose to cross public infrastructure without giving way to heavy machinery that has right of way.