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I genuinely think that if Biden does not win another term there are far larger problems for the American project than Ticketmaster, including democracy existing

I genuinely think that if Biden does not win another term there are far larger problems for the American project than Ticketmaster, including democracy existing as we know it today.

xwolfi 2y ago
On your opposite side, they think if Biden wins babies will die horrible deaths. American politics are full of superlatives, and very devoid of any real actions. Once the hero or the devil gets elected, nothing happens much.
- throwaway173738 2y ago
  Yeah except for Roe v. Wade which you might consider a bellwether event for anti-contraceptive activists. But other than that yeah nothing much happened.
gruez 2y ago
>including democracy existing as we know it today. Weren't there similar predictions back in 2016? How is it different this time? Or to back up a bit, what exactly does "democracy existing as we know it today" mean? It could mean anything between "US becomes North Korea" and "the whitehouse revoked the press credentials of someone who said something mean about trump".
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  It wasn't wrong in 2016 either, what's your point? That the coup failed and Congress wasn't murdered doesn't mean they didn't try.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >It wasn't wrong in 2016 either, what's your point? Of course "it wasn't wrong" if claims are vague like "democracy as we know it", which means they can be used in a motte-and-bailey manner to initially imply that the US is going to turn into China/North Korea or whatever, but then later be walked back on to whatever the predictions don't really pan out. >That the coup failed and Congress wasn't murdered doesn't mean they didn't try. Was the claim back then that they'll "try" (however poorly planned/executed), or that they'll actually succeed?
    - mindslight 2y ago
      The general thought was that a simpleton business monkey who made a virtue out of ordering people around and not accepting "no" for an answer would continue to operate autocratically even as the leader of a democratic bureaucracy. There was a lot of equivocating that it was all some campaign schtick, the media was misrepresenting him, etc. "4D chess" and all that. It turned out that the straightforward analysis was the correct one. Sometimes a spade really is a spade. This round he's playing for double or nothing - having broken a bunch of laws is slowly catching up with him. He continues playing the victim while indignantly expressing a desire for overt revenge. We've already seen the mechanisms by which this will happen (paralysis of federal law enforcement, mobilization of paramilitary goon squads into the power vacuum, and political reality distortion field justifying everything as if President is equivalent to Dictator). So yeah by any reasoned analysis, 2024 really is Trump xor America - you decide. (Once again, standard disclaimer - unaligned libertarian here. I'd never voted for a major party candidate before 2020. Specifically, I considered a 2016 a toss up between two differently-bad options, and still have no regrets there. But now that we've seen a concrete track record as opposed to mere vacuous campaigning, it would be utterly foolish to ignore it)
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
      You're downplaying what is unambiguous and obvious. Please engage in good faith.
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  I think if he comes back he won't leave. There's a reason why many of the people that worked with him most closely believe he's dangerous and unfit.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >I think if he comes back he won't leave. So to confirm you're predicting that if he gets elected he'll stay in power beyond 2025?
    - laidoffamazon 2y ago
      Yes, I think he'll try with a much higher likelihood of succeeding than when he tried last time. That's typically how coups go, as far as history go.
ElectroBuffoon 2y ago
Unified Reich of America. It's just one letter aways from USA. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/22/trump-deletes-unified-reich-video-after-backlash-and-biden-attacks_6672306_4.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/22/t... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69045271 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69045271 https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/politics/trump-nazi-allusions-analysis/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/politics/trump-nazi-allus... https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-backlash-trump-pulls-social-media-post-with-reference-unified-reich-2024-05-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-backlash-trump-pulls-... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/21/donald-trump-video-unified-reich https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/21/dona... https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/21/trump-unified-reich-truth-social-00159233 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/21/trump-unified-reich... https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germany-antisemitism-31002afb91b642c0314223d19e51f427 https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germ... https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/us/donald-trump-reich-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/us/donald-trump-reich-vid... Once there is backslash, just blame a junior staffer instead of making the head honcho resign for not controlling what goes into an important PR stream.

I genuinely think that if Biden does not win another term there are far larger problems for the American project than Ticketmaster, including democracy existing as we know it today.

xwolfi 2y ago

On your opposite side, they think if Biden wins babies will die horrible deaths. American politics are full of superlatives, and very devoid of any real actions. Once the hero or the devil gets elected, nothing happens much.

throwaway173738 2y ago
Yeah except for Roe v. Wade which you might consider a bellwether event for anti-contraceptive activists. But other than that yeah nothing much happened.

gruez 2y ago

>including democracy existing as we know it today. Weren't there similar predictions back in 2016? How is it different this time? Or to back up a bit, what exactly does "democracy existing as we know it today" mean? It could mean anything between "US becomes North Korea" and "the whitehouse revoked the press credentials of someone who said something mean about trump".

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
It wasn't wrong in 2016 either, what's your point? That the coup failed and Congress wasn't murdered doesn't mean they didn't try.
- gruez 2y ago
  >It wasn't wrong in 2016 either, what's your point? Of course "it wasn't wrong" if claims are vague like "democracy as we know it", which means they can be used in a motte-and-bailey manner to initially imply that the US is going to turn into China/North Korea or whatever, but then later be walked back on to whatever the predictions don't really pan out. >That the coup failed and Congress wasn't murdered doesn't mean they didn't try. Was the claim back then that they'll "try" (however poorly planned/executed), or that they'll actually succeed?
  - mindslight 2y ago
    The general thought was that a simpleton business monkey who made a virtue out of ordering people around and not accepting "no" for an answer would continue to operate autocratically even as the leader of a democratic bureaucracy. There was a lot of equivocating that it was all some campaign schtick, the media was misrepresenting him, etc. "4D chess" and all that. It turned out that the straightforward analysis was the correct one. Sometimes a spade really is a spade. This round he's playing for double or nothing - having broken a bunch of laws is slowly catching up with him. He continues playing the victim while indignantly expressing a desire for overt revenge. We've already seen the mechanisms by which this will happen (paralysis of federal law enforcement, mobilization of paramilitary goon squads into the power vacuum, and political reality distortion field justifying everything as if President is equivalent to Dictator). So yeah by any reasoned analysis, 2024 really is Trump xor America - you decide. (Once again, standard disclaimer - unaligned libertarian here. I'd never voted for a major party candidate before 2020. Specifically, I considered a 2016 a toss up between two differently-bad options, and still have no regrets there. But now that we've seen a concrete track record as opposed to mere vacuous campaigning, it would be utterly foolish to ignore it)
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    You're downplaying what is unambiguous and obvious. Please engage in good faith.
laidoffamazon 2y ago
I think if he comes back he won't leave. There's a reason why many of the people that worked with him most closely believe he's dangerous and unfit.
- gruez 2y ago
  >I think if he comes back he won't leave. So to confirm you're predicting that if he gets elected he'll stay in power beyond 2025?
  - laidoffamazon 2y ago
    Yes, I think he'll try with a much higher likelihood of succeeding than when he tried last time. That's typically how coups go, as far as history go.

ElectroBuffoon 2y ago

Unified Reich of America. It's just one letter aways from USA. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/22/trump-deletes-unified-reich-video-after-backlash-and-biden-attacks_6672306_4.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/22/t... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69045271 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69045271 https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/politics/trump-nazi-allusions-analysis/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/politics/trump-nazi-allus... https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-backlash-trump-pulls-social-media-post-with-reference-unified-reich-2024-05-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-backlash-trump-pulls-... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/21/donald-trump-video-unified-reich https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/21/dona... https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/21/trump-unified-reich-truth-social-00159233 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/21/trump-unified-reich... https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germany-antisemitism-31002afb91b642c0314223d19e51f427 https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhetoric-germ... https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/us/donald-trump-reich-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/us/donald-trump-reich-vid... Once there is backslash, just blame a junior staffer instead of making the head honcho resign for not controlling what goes into an important PR stream.