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There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok… Now imagine you actively use it and

by Havoc 2y ago

There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok… Now imagine you actively use it and it has all your memory and history. And then your SSD dies. They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

eightysixfour 2y ago
Or you could just lose that history, which is basically a bonus for the experience, not a necessity. The competitor to this, rewind.ai lets you set your retention policy and deletes on a rolling basis anyways.
- Havoc 2y ago
  If you want this to be the new computer use paradigm then it has to be durable and long term. Same as any other info storage like Evernote and friends. Doesn’t really work if it’s flakey or impermanent
  - eightysixfour 2y ago
    The value of the data shrinks dramatically over time for this kind of data, I have been using rewind for around a year now and don’t think I have ever liked back past three months.
    - Havoc 2y ago
      You’re probably right about declining value over time. Is that for personal use thoug? At work I’m routinely going through year+ old mails.
      - eightysixfour 2y ago
        Yes, but that isn’t what I really use it for. An example recent use was to pull up a recording of a conversation I had on zoom to see a detail on one of the slides I couldn’t remember. Prior to that it was searching for a specific set of words I knew I had seen in a proprietary dataset (think Ipsos/Gartner) that their own search wasn’t finding. I generally don’t need/recall those kinds of details after a certain time and will accept those losses.
creatonez 2y ago
> They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak This doesn't mean unencrypted, though. Will have to wait and see how much it exposes and how the key management works. I'm not optimistic but it does seem rather unlikely they would botch the privacy of a constantly screenshotting daemon, it would be a little on-the-nose even with MS's horrendous privacy record.
- Havoc 2y ago
  It’s less a technical problem and more principles and optics. Can’t really argue a strong local only stance and do cloud. Encryption sure but that takes us into “it’s not local but trust us it’s all good” territory…from a company known to comply with all sorts of gov info requests.

by Havoc 2y ago

eightysixfour 2y ago

Or you could just lose that history, which is basically a bonus for the experience, not a necessity. The competitor to this, rewind.ai lets you set your retention policy and deletes on a rolling basis anyways.

Havoc 2y ago
If you want this to be the new computer use paradigm then it has to be durable and long term. Same as any other info storage like Evernote and friends. Doesn’t really work if it’s flakey or impermanent
- eightysixfour 2y ago
  The value of the data shrinks dramatically over time for this kind of data, I have been using rewind for around a year now and don’t think I have ever liked back past three months.
  - Havoc 2y ago
    You’re probably right about declining value over time. Is that for personal use thoug? At work I’m routinely going through year+ old mails.
    - eightysixfour 2y ago
      Yes, but that isn’t what I really use it for. An example recent use was to pull up a recording of a conversation I had on zoom to see a detail on one of the slides I couldn’t remember. Prior to that it was searching for a specific set of words I knew I had seen in a proprietary dataset (think Ipsos/Gartner) that their own search wasn’t finding. I generally don’t need/recall those kinds of details after a certain time and will accept those losses.

creatonez 2y ago

> They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak This doesn't mean unencrypted, though. Will have to wait and see how much it exposes and how the key management works. I'm not optimistic but it does seem rather unlikely they would botch the privacy of a constantly screenshotting daemon, it would be a little on-the-nose even with MS's horrendous privacy record.

Havoc 2y ago
It’s less a technical problem and more principles and optics. Can’t really argue a strong local only stance and do cloud. Encryption sure but that takes us into “it’s not local but trust us it’s all good” territory…from a company known to comply with all sorts of gov info requests.