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I have absolutely no idea what data they’re even getting out of this. I am probably more privacy oriented than the next guy, and I’m just not really seeing the

by wredue 2y ago

I have absolutely no idea what data they’re even getting out of this. I am probably more privacy oriented than the next guy, and I’m just not really seeing the pitch here.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
An incentive to stay on Windows and/or update to their new "AI-enabled" Surface line? Most regular users will just parse this as "oh that cool generative art AI thing comes built into Windows!". EDIT: I mean, you don't need to look far to see this effect; see e.g.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40447474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40447474.
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- zamadatix 2y ago
  The e.g. image generation AI feature is using DALL-E externally and this kind of thing isn't free. The one time cost of a Windows license doesn't seem worth it, especially with the prices OEMs pay for them. There's gotta be other long term revenue generation goals driving it.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Microsoft all but owns OpenAI at this point; using DALL-E isn't free, but they're almost certainly running it on their own infrastructure, and were kind of already giving access to it away for free, with Bing Chat and now Copilot. Also, if DALL-E is anything like Stable Diffusion, it's effectively free to run. For comparison, my 5+ years old machine that I recently put a 4070 Ti in, can generate images with SD all day long without breaking sweat, and does it faster than even paid on-line services I've interacted with so far. That same machine chokes on any LLM above 8-10 billion parameters; it can handle that much with full GPU offload, but try anything larger and it becomes just an elaborate space heater. (I tried running 8x7b Mixtral on it once, and managed to OOM and crash the system :/).
al_borland 2y ago
Not this specifically, but for thier recall feature they are going to constantly take screenshots of what a user is doing, then then AI will analyze it and keep track of it all. They say it’s all local. Maybe that’s true. Maybe for now. Will it be forever? Is the recall local, but insights are collected? Time will tell. I certainly won’t be signing up to be part of the experiment.

by wredue 2y ago

I have absolutely no idea what data they’re even getting out of this. I am probably more privacy oriented than the next guy, and I’m just not really seeing the pitch here.

TeMPOraL 2y ago

An incentive to stay on Windows and/or update to their new "AI-enabled" Surface line? Most regular users will just parse this as "oh that cool generative art AI thing comes built into Windows!". EDIT: I mean, you don't need to look far to see this effect; see e.g.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40447474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40447474.

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zamadatix 2y ago
The e.g. image generation AI feature is using DALL-E externally and this kind of thing isn't free. The one time cost of a Windows license doesn't seem worth it, especially with the prices OEMs pay for them. There's gotta be other long term revenue generation goals driving it.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Microsoft all but owns OpenAI at this point; using DALL-E isn't free, but they're almost certainly running it on their own infrastructure, and were kind of already giving access to it away for free, with Bing Chat and now Copilot. Also, if DALL-E is anything like Stable Diffusion, it's effectively free to run. For comparison, my 5+ years old machine that I recently put a 4070 Ti in, can generate images with SD all day long without breaking sweat, and does it faster than even paid on-line services I've interacted with so far. That same machine chokes on any LLM above 8-10 billion parameters; it can handle that much with full GPU offload, but try anything larger and it becomes just an elaborate space heater. (I tried running 8x7b Mixtral on it once, and managed to OOM and crash the system :/).

al_borland 2y ago

Not this specifically, but for thier recall feature they are going to constantly take screenshots of what a user is doing, then then AI will analyze it and keep track of it all. They say it’s all local. Maybe that’s true. Maybe for now. Will it be forever? Is the recall local, but insights are collected? Time will tell. I certainly won’t be signing up to be part of the experiment.