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That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe fo abuse, should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think y

That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe fo abuse, should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think you’re a criminal? The previous is possible but not when a cop thinks it but a judge. Personally i’d live in a slightly insecure society rather than in a slightly more opressive.

shadowgovt 2y ago
> That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe for abuse Agreed. In the current status quo, it is abused by car owners who get away with literal murder. > should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think you’re a criminal? No, but my home is my private space; I'm not driving my home down a shared road. Compare and contrast the relatively lax requirements to get a driver's license with the incredibly stringent rules around getting a pilot's license; the government has existing broad authority to regulate access to public thoroughfares and the use of heavy machinery when such use could jeopardize the health and safety of others.
- M95D 2y ago
  > Compare and contrast the relatively lax requirements to get a driver's license with the incredibly stringent rules around getting a pilot's license And what is your argument? We should let the surveilance replace the driver exam? As in "you didn't speed this month, we'll let you keep your license" ?
  - shadowgovt 2y ago
    Let the surveillance augment the driver's test. Because Lord knows we aren't spending more money on the test or retesting, but the surveillance is cheap. > You didn't speed this month we'll let you keep your license Honestly, why not? Professional drivers are monitored; let's extend that to every vehicle on the road.
    - M95D 2y ago
      Because it won't apply to every vehicle on the road! There will be exceptions, and then even more exceptions, and then you will wonder why the inequality on the roads... Some people are more equal than others.
      - shadowgovt 2y ago
        Some people already are. We could have that inequality and a safer road at the same time as opposed to just the inequality. As it stands right now, those who should be trusted the least are the least monitored.
        M95D 2y ago
        In my country, if there's someone speeding, then I can safely follow him/her a couple hundred meters behind with the same speed. If there's police on the road, he/she will get stopped and get a ticket (or not, if he's "more equal") and I have the time to slow down. We're equal. If the car gives my location and speed, only those people will be able to break the law and I won't. More inequality than now.
        shadowgovt 2y ago
        Why can they speed and you can't? ... oh, are you assuming their car will be allowed on the road without the tools to properly track it? I was assuming that as those tools become cheap they become mandatory to operate on public roads (i.e. toll roads or passive highway traffic monitors can serve as checkpoints: scan car transponders and license plates, match them up, identify vehicles on the road without transponders, flag them for intercept by police. Or, easier: transponder functionality is an inspection requirement and if your transponder is out, you don't pass inspection and you can't legally operate on public roads).

shadowgovt 2y ago

> That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe for abuse Agreed. In the current status quo, it is abused by car owners who get away with literal murder. > should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think you’re a criminal? No, but my home is my private space; I'm not driving my home down a shared road. Compare and contrast the relatively lax requirements to get a driver's license with the incredibly stringent rules around getting a pilot's license; the government has existing broad authority to regulate access to public thoroughfares and the use of heavy machinery when such use could jeopardize the health and safety of others.

M95D 2y ago
> Compare and contrast the relatively lax requirements to get a driver's license with the incredibly stringent rules around getting a pilot's license And what is your argument? We should let the surveilance replace the driver exam? As in "you didn't speed this month, we'll let you keep your license" ?
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  Let the surveillance augment the driver's test. Because Lord knows we aren't spending more money on the test or retesting, but the surveillance is cheap. > You didn't speed this month we'll let you keep your license Honestly, why not? Professional drivers are monitored; let's extend that to every vehicle on the road.
  - M95D 2y ago
    Because it won't apply to every vehicle on the road! There will be exceptions, and then even more exceptions, and then you will wonder why the inequality on the roads... Some people are more equal than others.
    - shadowgovt 2y ago
      Some people already are. We could have that inequality and a safer road at the same time as opposed to just the inequality. As it stands right now, those who should be trusted the least are the least monitored.
      - M95D 2y ago
        In my country, if there's someone speeding, then I can safely follow him/her a couple hundred meters behind with the same speed. If there's police on the road, he/she will get stopped and get a ticket (or not, if he's "more equal") and I have the time to slow down. We're equal. If the car gives my location and speed, only those people will be able to break the law and I won't. More inequality than now.
        shadowgovt 2y ago
        Why can they speed and you can't? ... oh, are you assuming their car will be allowed on the road without the tools to properly track it? I was assuming that as those tools become cheap they become mandatory to operate on public roads (i.e. toll roads or passive highway traffic monitors can serve as checkpoints: scan car transponders and license plates, match them up, identify vehicles on the road without transponders, flag them for intercept by police. Or, easier: transponder functionality is an inspection requirement and if your transponder is out, you don't pass inspection and you can't legally operate on public roads).