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Can you explain, down to CPU instructions and network packets, what it is that "happens on your device"? If the answer is anything else than "yes, I'm the abso

by Rygian 2y ago

Can you explain, down to CPU instructions and network packets, what it is that "happens on your device"? If the answer is anything else than "yes, I'm the absolute world authority on that" then you don't know how or whether Microsoft is respecting your privacy (same reasoning goes for Apple, for Google, for mobile phone radio stack, …).

wilsonnb3 2y ago
Isn't this just a general argument against closed source software and nothing specific about this recall feature? If you don't trust Microsoft then yeah I can see why you wouldn't want this feature but you probably aren't using Windows in that case anyways, so it is a moot point.
- exitb 2y ago
  Up until recently, regardless of the source accessibility, certain things were just impossible. For example, a computer could not universally interpret and categorize what you’re using it for. Now it’s entirely possible, so naturally people’s attitudes change.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  There are those of us who care about our spouses/children/family/friends and what this means for them, even it doesn't directly affect our daily lives. There is nothing wrong with our being concerned about that, and it doesn't make our opinions on the matter invalid.
- Rygian 2y ago
  Late comment: have a look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40543990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40543990 What may be a moot point for me is not a moot point for millions of users. This feature seems to be enabled by default and needs poking into settings to disable. Microsoft have proven time and again, by their acts and omissions, that they can't be trusted. Relevant quote from the source: "During testing this with an off the shelf infostealer, I used Microsoft Defender for Endpoint — which detected the off the shelve infostealer — but by the time the automated remediation kicked in (which took over ten minutes) my Recall data was already long gone [ie. exfiltrated to a bad actor's device]."

by Rygian 2y ago

wilsonnb3 2y ago

Isn't this just a general argument against closed source software and nothing specific about this recall feature? If you don't trust Microsoft then yeah I can see why you wouldn't want this feature but you probably aren't using Windows in that case anyways, so it is a moot point.

exitb 2y ago
Up until recently, regardless of the source accessibility, certain things were just impossible. For example, a computer could not universally interpret and categorize what you’re using it for. Now it’s entirely possible, so naturally people’s attitudes change.
EasyMark 2y ago
There are those of us who care about our spouses/children/family/friends and what this means for them, even it doesn't directly affect our daily lives. There is nothing wrong with our being concerned about that, and it doesn't make our opinions on the matter invalid.
Rygian 2y ago
Late comment: have a look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40543990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40543990 What may be a moot point for me is not a moot point for millions of users. This feature seems to be enabled by default and needs poking into settings to disable. Microsoft have proven time and again, by their acts and omissions, that they can't be trusted. Relevant quote from the source: "During testing this with an off the shelf infostealer, I used Microsoft Defender for Endpoint — which detected the off the shelve infostealer — but by the time the automated remediation kicked in (which took over ten minutes) my Recall data was already long gone [ie. exfiltrated to a bad actor's device]."