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I red that the AI runs locally, but then the image is uploaded to Microsoft servers to check that it doesn't violate any policies.
by GaggiX 2y ago
I red that the AI runs locally, but then the image is uploaded to Microsoft servers to check that it doesn't violate any policies.
- nwoli 2y agoHopefully someone reverse engineers the model (unless this is a joke)
- GaggiX 2y agoIt's not a joke unfortunately. From: https://stratechery.com/2024/windows-returns/ https://stratechery.com/2024/windows-returns/ "That latency, frustratingly enough, doesn’t come from the actual rendering, which happens locally on that beefy hardware, but rather the fact that Cocreator validates everything with the cloud for “safety”"
- __loam 2y agoHaha that's absolutely terrible.
- nwoli 2y agoWeird since if image generation can run locally a simple classifier (eg clip) aught to be sufficient and run locally as well before presenting the image
- surfingdino 2y agoI suspect they have humans reviewing those images and training AI in the process.
- hot_gril 2y agoOnly explanation that makes sense so far.
- dylan604 2y agoOther than training, there's CYA to ensure they aren't making inappropriate images of children or other things that might be deemed illegal
- surfingdino 2y agoOil paint manufacturers do not have to do that, why should a developer of a paint program have to do it?
- dylan604 2y agoIf we're going to compare apples and onions, then sure, you can state this comparison with a straight face. For those of us with a bit of seriousness about the conversation, these are not even close to being the same.
- surfingdino 2y agoIt would be better for them if they said it's like a bottle of pouring ink--it forms random swirls and shapes and if someone sees a penis then it's not the problem of the ink manufacturer. The fact that they are sending images to their server means they are doing content screening and model training. That creates potential liability for them. They are already potentially exposed, because someone will sooner or later ask them to reveal the sources of images used for training their models and if it's their Bing image lake then they may have a problem of using other people's content without permission beyond research applications.
- hot_gril 2y agoYeah that too. Sure plenty of tools could be used to retouch illegal pics and so on, but a court would probably see it differently if the model distributed by Microsoft is able to produce that on its own. At the same time... F that, I don't want Microsoft nannying me.
- mysteria 2y agoIf they want that they could easily have a local classifier and only upload suspected images for review. The fact that they're willing to slow down the experience for everyone implies that they're doing training or something.
- PeterisP 2y agoThat's kind of even worse, other people have no business at all looking at my private pictures.
- surfingdino 2y agoOh, but they do https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66465231 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66465231
- viking123 2y agolmao
- rchaud 2y agoWhy would MS bother to check something that's been created and stored locally? Are they also uploading the files into the cloud to feed their AI/ML datasets?
- dylan604 2y agoIf you use it to make CSAM locally, they would get hammered for allowing it to have happened
- beeboobaa3 2y agoPhotoshop isn't getting hammered even though it's been used for such things (CSAM, revenge porn, etc) for decades
- dylan604 2y agoPhotoshop isn't created by Microsoft which has a completely different corporate ethos than Adobe. Whataboutism doesn't really work regardless of how it is attempted.
- beeboobaa3 2y agolol, nice deflection. MS Paint then. I can guarantee you it has happened. Also what does "corporate ethos" have to do with "getting hammered"?
- dylan604 2y agoThe multitudes of pearl clutching types that use Windows vastly outnumbers the number that use Photoshop. If some body goes online and says that Microsoft is allowing Windows to make kiddie porn, the backlash would be for greater than if some company famous for making software used by artists. To even think it would be different is just not being honest with how the world works
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- ToucanLoucan 2y agoSo Microsoft's policies dictate what my machine can generate? Cool, cool cool.
- doikor 2y agoNo they dictate what their program (Paint) can generate. Nobody is forcing you to use it.
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- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoAfter they sell it it's no longer theirs. Makita can't come to me and tell me what I can and can't do with their power drill, it's mine to do what I wish. They build it and sell it but once payment has been tendered that's where their possession rights end.
- hot_gril 2y agoThey sell you a license to use the software, so you can't for instance redistribute MS Paint as your own software. But you could certainly hack it not to phone home.
- rchaud 2y agoThis is purely the choice of the vendor. Makita may not do this, but John Deere absolutely exert control over how their products are repaired and maintained.
- wilsonnb3 2y agoMicrosoft dictates what their software can generate, much in the same way they dictate what colors you can use in paint and what font sizes you can use in word. You can still generate as much porn or whatever it is you want to generate using other software.
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- phito 2y agoWow that's so... lame...
- surfingdino 2y agoIt's Microsoft, what did you expect?
- phito 2y agoYah but unfortunately it's not just them. Everyone is putting these "safety" filters on their AI. I understand why they're doing it, but all I can feel is how lame it is.
- gedy 2y agoAdobe is just as bad, I pay for Photoshop, and heaven forbid you try and retouch an image of a woman with her knee exposed or something... I'm not even giving it a prompt, and it blocks its own generative fill due to its "content policy".
- surfingdino 2y agoTopaz AI hovers up your photos for research and model training purposes. They ask you though, so I guess that's some consolation.
- hot_gril 2y agoI can't think of anything more lame that's ever happened with tech. ChatGPT came out and it was so cool, you could make it sound almost like a real person. Then they neutered the heck out of it.
- RIMR 2y ago>I understand why they're doing it It's because it gives them an excuse to hoover up as much data about you as possible and send it home for "safety" reasons. They can sell AI compute as a service to businesses, while giving the spyware version to consumers for free. There's absolutely no excuse for monitoring an art programs inputs and sending them to Microsoft. What next, are they going to put AI into notepad and then monitor that to keep you from writing dangerous ideas?
- surfingdino 2y agoAre those images checked by their Kenyan team? https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/ https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/
- Auracle 2y agoI really doubt it runs locally. Most people don’t have GPUs that are capable of generating images with anything approaching speed.
- simonw 2y agoMicrosoft are trying to sell a whole new class of very expensive computer as part of this AI push. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/new-arm-powered-surface-pro-and-surface-laptop-aim-directly-at-apple-silicon-macs/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/new-arm-powered-surf...
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- jazzyjackson 2y ago40 trillion ops per second to run microsoft paint lmao
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- TiredOfLife 2y agoThose wery expensive computers are cheaper than macs with same ram/storage
- antifa 2y agoI wouldn't br surprised if the macs hardware were still better for local LLMs and other AIs tho.
- fragmede 2y ago[citation needed] before I get my pitchfork out (I got a new one, it's real shiny), can someone dig up a reference that says they're actually doing this?
- GaggiX 2y agoI link it in a comment below.
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- throwawayy999 2y agoNo, this isn't correct. The content moderation is another model that runs locally on the NPU, similar to the group of models used for image generation. There is no image uploaded to Microsoft. Note that there is no support for non-NPU devices.
- GaggiX 2y agoIf so someone needs to correct https://stratechery.com/2024/windows-returns/ https://stratechery.com/2024/windows-returns/ article that reports: "That latency, frustratingly enough, doesn’t come from the actual rendering, which happens locally on that beefy hardware, but rather the fact that Cocreator validates everything with the cloud for “safety”".
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- beretguy 2y agoWhat happens if you block “calling home” on a DNS level?
- kotaKat 2y agoThey'll just use their own DNS servers and you won't be able to stop them in an ever-evolving game of cat-and-mouse.