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Are you serious? In Norway maybe. EV has just started in most places. Most people still drive gasoline / hybrid cars. It's just that most car manufactures have

Are you serious? In Norway maybe. EV has just started in most places. Most people still drive gasoline / hybrid cars. It's just that most car manufactures have EV cars right now and infrastructure is getting better for non-Tesla, so much better deals out there. Tesla doesn't even look good anymore compare to a lot of the new EVs our there from Rivian, Hyndai, Volvo, Honda, Lucid, etc. Tesla keep lowering prices cause they have no other choice.

dangus 2y ago
I agree with the comment parent to yours that the market is saturated under the condition that the size and quality of the US charging network doesn’t increase greatly. Only EV early adopters want to sit in Walmart parking lots for half an hour charging. The rest of us want to see mainstream truck stops have chargers that have us in and out in 15 minutes.
- coldpie 2y ago
  > Only EV early adopters want to sit in Walmart parking lots for half an hour charging. You only need to do that on road trips, which aren't all that frequent for most people. It's not a reason to avoid buying an EV. At home, you just charge it overnight at your wall outlet. Yes, I know, not everyone has access to a wall outlet overnight, but lots of people do. EVs are ready for them right now.
  - atemerev 2y ago
    It is not a good idea to buy a car in most European cities if you only use it for commuting. We have working public transportation for that. So, you buy a car if you want road trips. There are exactly two fast charging networks in Europe: Tesla Superchargers and Ionity. The latter is two times more expensive (yes, you can use Superchargers with other car brands, but it costs more). Which is why I bought a Tesla, and from what I see here in Switzerland, many people share this reasoning. Also, many people in Europe tend to live in _apartments_, where you can’t plug a car overnight. So, access to a fast charging network is essential. Once again, Tesla wins.
  - dangus 2y ago
    Road trips are important. If it’s my only car it needs to be able to do them even if I’m only doing a few of them every year. If you have a family with kids and your other family members are a few hundred miles away the range matters. Nobody’s going to buy four plane tickets and a rental car just to take a 400 mile trip. That sort of trip in an EV is going to be two or three charging stops especially in winter temperatures adding up to close to an extra hour to the travel time. In Europe a trip of that length can be done on a train or a dirt cheap flight and you might not need a car at your destination. Or it won’t happen at all because your family is likely to be physically closer in a smaller country where language and culture borders are closer in.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      > That sort of trip in an EV is going to be two or three charging stops especially in winter temperatures adding up to close to an extra hour to the travel time. Less than one hour of extra travel time, three times a year, doesn't strike me as a dealbreaker. You'll save more time than that every month by never going to a gas station.

dangus 2y ago

I agree with the comment parent to yours that the market is saturated under the condition that the size and quality of the US charging network doesn’t increase greatly. Only EV early adopters want to sit in Walmart parking lots for half an hour charging. The rest of us want to see mainstream truck stops have chargers that have us in and out in 15 minutes.

coldpie 2y ago
> Only EV early adopters want to sit in Walmart parking lots for half an hour charging. You only need to do that on road trips, which aren't all that frequent for most people. It's not a reason to avoid buying an EV. At home, you just charge it overnight at your wall outlet. Yes, I know, not everyone has access to a wall outlet overnight, but lots of people do. EVs are ready for them right now.
- atemerev 2y ago
  It is not a good idea to buy a car in most European cities if you only use it for commuting. We have working public transportation for that. So, you buy a car if you want road trips. There are exactly two fast charging networks in Europe: Tesla Superchargers and Ionity. The latter is two times more expensive (yes, you can use Superchargers with other car brands, but it costs more). Which is why I bought a Tesla, and from what I see here in Switzerland, many people share this reasoning. Also, many people in Europe tend to live in _apartments_, where you can’t plug a car overnight. So, access to a fast charging network is essential. Once again, Tesla wins.
- dangus 2y ago
  Road trips are important. If it’s my only car it needs to be able to do them even if I’m only doing a few of them every year. If you have a family with kids and your other family members are a few hundred miles away the range matters. Nobody’s going to buy four plane tickets and a rental car just to take a 400 mile trip. That sort of trip in an EV is going to be two or three charging stops especially in winter temperatures adding up to close to an extra hour to the travel time. In Europe a trip of that length can be done on a train or a dirt cheap flight and you might not need a car at your destination. Or it won’t happen at all because your family is likely to be physically closer in a smaller country where language and culture borders are closer in.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    > That sort of trip in an EV is going to be two or three charging stops especially in winter temperatures adding up to close to an extra hour to the travel time. Less than one hour of extra travel time, three times a year, doesn't strike me as a dealbreaker. You'll save more time than that every month by never going to a gas station.