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A property claim is a bundle of rights, and people democratically decide what is in the bundles. What something being (your) property means is up to all your ne

A property claim is a bundle of rights, and people democratically decide what is in the bundles. What something being (your) property means is up to all your neighbours to decide. Fortunately someone with more exclusionary view can move to a place where lots of people think like them - a community of solitude is what you need!

s1artibartfast 2y ago
It is is inversely up to each individual decide if they will abide with their neighbors democratic decision. There is always a push and push back to the individual/social dynamic.
forgetfreeman 2y ago
Uh, no? My neighbors have literally no say whatsoever regarding what is or isn't a legally permissible use of or activity on my property, and no governing body exists to permit them any kind of referendum on the subject.
- kcb 2y ago
  You write this as if your land is a sovereign nation... Regardless of where you are in the US you are under many layers of government(by the people/your neighbors) that absolutely regulate what you can do on your property. Heck the people can even legally forcibly aquire your property if the will was there.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    I feel like we're having some kind of vocabulary issue here? My neighbors (the individuals who own property bordering mine) are neither legislators nor lobbyists. As such they have no access to the legislative process, and thus no control over what is or isn't a legal use of my property. To be absolutely clear "The People" can't do a damned thing. Local/State/Federal government is another matter entirely to be sure, but it's not like my neighbor can walk into the county courthouse and reasonably expect to have legislation drafted that alters land ownership rights.
    - kcb 2y ago
      Unless your neighbors are convicts or something, they have access to the legislative process. If you're doing something on your property that annoys enough of your neighbors, those neighbors call in to a local representative, an ordinance gets passed, police show up if you keep doing it. This can and does happen. Maybe you live in a county that's really lax, but still there are local laws in place that got there pretty much exactly by some neighbors getting together and bugging their representative.
      - forgetfreeman 2y ago
        It's like you watched the "I'm just a bill" video and that was the end of your research into how government works... Your naivete is charming.
        kcb 2y ago
        So how do you think local ordinances get passed into law? I'm not talking about congresses next trillion dollar bill.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

It is is inversely up to each individual decide if they will abide with their neighbors democratic decision. There is always a push and push back to the individual/social dynamic.

forgetfreeman 2y ago

Uh, no? My neighbors have literally no say whatsoever regarding what is or isn't a legally permissible use of or activity on my property, and no governing body exists to permit them any kind of referendum on the subject.

kcb 2y ago
You write this as if your land is a sovereign nation... Regardless of where you are in the US you are under many layers of government(by the people/your neighbors) that absolutely regulate what you can do on your property. Heck the people can even legally forcibly aquire your property if the will was there.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  I feel like we're having some kind of vocabulary issue here? My neighbors (the individuals who own property bordering mine) are neither legislators nor lobbyists. As such they have no access to the legislative process, and thus no control over what is or isn't a legal use of my property. To be absolutely clear "The People" can't do a damned thing. Local/State/Federal government is another matter entirely to be sure, but it's not like my neighbor can walk into the county courthouse and reasonably expect to have legislation drafted that alters land ownership rights.
  - kcb 2y ago
    Unless your neighbors are convicts or something, they have access to the legislative process. If you're doing something on your property that annoys enough of your neighbors, those neighbors call in to a local representative, an ordinance gets passed, police show up if you keep doing it. This can and does happen. Maybe you live in a county that's really lax, but still there are local laws in place that got there pretty much exactly by some neighbors getting together and bugging their representative.
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      It's like you watched the "I'm just a bill" video and that was the end of your research into how government works... Your naivete is charming.
      - kcb 2y ago
        So how do you think local ordinances get passed into law? I'm not talking about congresses next trillion dollar bill.