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Did a lot of kids die in pools before that law was introduced? NB I'm in Scotland so outside pools aren't a big risk but I also grew up in a small fishing vill

Did a lot of kids die in pools before that law was introduced? NB I'm in Scotland so outside pools aren't a big risk but I also grew up in a small fishing village on a very wild and rocky coast with high cliffs and the idea of anyone trying to "protect" kids in that kind of environment seems very odd to me.

madeofpalk 2y ago
There's considerably less unsupervised kids running around rocky coasts with high cliffs than around neighbourhoods and backyards. Note that Australia also has plenty of coasts and does not mandate a fence around them all.
crazygringo 2y ago
Of course. These laws don't just come out of nowhere. Kids drowning in pools is a real thing.
- gottorf 2y ago
  Of course, it's also a real thing that the home builders' and contractors' association lobbies to make every pool be legally required to be enclosed by a fence, which naturally needs to be built by a licensed professional.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    What? No it's not. That's simply not true. That wasn't how any of those laws developed historically. And that would just be a nonsensical thing for the construction industry to lobby on. There are things that are actually highly profitable for them to lobby for. That's not one of them. I'm confused why you can't just accept the obvious that it's an effort to save lives. Like seatbelts.
rovolo 2y ago
~60/year of <5yo Australian kids in the 90s, down to ~25/year in the 10s. That's a death rate reduction of ~3/100k, which is about the rate of <5yo deaths from cancer. 50% of the <5yo drownings in '93-'18 were in pools. https://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/37526/RLS_ChildDrowning_25yrReport.pdf https://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/00... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-children-under-5?country=~AUS https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-childr...

madeofpalk 2y ago

There's considerably less unsupervised kids running around rocky coasts with high cliffs than around neighbourhoods and backyards. Note that Australia also has plenty of coasts and does not mandate a fence around them all.

crazygringo 2y ago

Of course. These laws don't just come out of nowhere. Kids drowning in pools is a real thing.

gottorf 2y ago
Of course, it's also a real thing that the home builders' and contractors' association lobbies to make every pool be legally required to be enclosed by a fence, which naturally needs to be built by a licensed professional.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  What? No it's not. That's simply not true. That wasn't how any of those laws developed historically. And that would just be a nonsensical thing for the construction industry to lobby on. There are things that are actually highly profitable for them to lobby for. That's not one of them. I'm confused why you can't just accept the obvious that it's an effort to save lives. Like seatbelts.

rovolo 2y ago

~60/year of <5yo Australian kids in the 90s, down to ~25/year in the 10s. That's a death rate reduction of ~3/100k, which is about the rate of <5yo deaths from cancer. 50% of the <5yo drownings in '93-'18 were in pools. https://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/37526/RLS_ChildDrowning_25yrReport.pdf https://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/00... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-children-under-5?country=~AUS https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-childr...