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Yep, if people want to do that there are hundreds of miles of forest service roads they can use to drive in to our national forests.

by rrix2 2y ago

Workaccount2 2y ago
*cries in east coast* Seriously, we have nothing over here. All the land was bought up, often before there even was a united states. And the forests we do have tend to be very heavily regulated. You want to do anything it's all pay for permit and be clustered with a bunch of other permit buyers. I am not aware of single forest in the Northeast where you can just drive in, camp, and leave without breaking the law.
- doctoboggan 2y ago
  I've done exactly what you describe (drive in, camp, leave without breaking the law) in the White Mountains in NH[0]. In general, dispersed camping[1] is legal in almost all national forest and BLM land. I think many people don't realize this but you can camp for free almost anywhere in a national forest (keeping certain distances from trails, roads and bodies of water) [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mountains_(New_England) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mountains_(New_England) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersed_camping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersed_camping
  - prometheus76 2y ago
    Isn't there a 14-day limit in National Parks?
    - ghaff 2y ago
      In general there are far more restrictions in National Parks than in national forests than on BLM land. There are some restrictions but really very few in the latter two categories.
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    If you hike in you can camp on the east coast, generally you must be at least 1/4 mile from where you park. On the west coats you can just pull in with your car and set up camp right there.
- mazugrin2 2y ago
  Check out the White Mountain National Forest in New Hampshire or the Green Mountain National Forest in Vermont. I've heard it's also legal in CT State Forests but haven't actually seen this written down anywhere.
- rowdyelectron 2y ago
  Greene mountains in VT is one example. You can even shoot there without being bothered. Lmk if you need a list of places in MA NH and VT.
- volkl48 2y ago
  There's lots of state + national forest land in the Northeast where that's legal. I've done it many times in PA/NY/VT/NH/ME. There are probably some options in the other more developed states too, but I don't usually visit them as much for outdoor recreation. Outside of the most popular locations for tourists that's pretty much the default. ------- If you've had trouble finding this, have you been limiting your search to parks? Parks are usually more heavily restricted in terms of camping.
- ghaff 2y ago
  White Mountain National Forest for one. There are restriction regarding how close to a trail or hut you can camp and the topography can be challenging but you certainly can. But yes there are orders of magnitude more national forest land out west. Probably more than the size of the entire or maybe UK.
- zhynn 2y ago
  I'll just leave this here: https://fpr.vermont.gov/recreation/activities/camping/primitive-camping https://fpr.vermont.gov/recreation/activities/camping/primit... There are many, and nobody goes there.
- dhagberg 2y ago
  Historically, Maine had excellent recreation policies in cooperation with the private paper companies that owned the majority of land in the northern part of the state: areas not actively being logged were available for recreation access, as were vehicles on logging roads (though you best yield to the logging trucks that drive down the middle of the roads, even if it means you need to dive into the ditch). State recreation fees for snowmobiles, fishing, etc. would cover things like insuring the private landowners against liability. However, starting in the mid/late 90's, much of the paper company land was divested and sold to private equity land holders (yay modern finance!) and those previous open access policies have been very much curtailed. It's a big loss to the community, but it sure must be making some money for shareholders somewhere...
- throw7 2y ago
  In NY, the state parks will be heavily regulated having designated pay for/reserved camp spots along with amenities. However, the forest preserves (Adirondacks/Catskills) and state forests do allow backcountry/primitive camping. Just look for a nearby state forest and look up the dec regulations for that site. More than likely you can can primitive camp there.
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    You can primitive/dispersed camp at most forests in the NE. However they all require being far from a road. The best you can do is park and hike in.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      1/4 mile is not far from a road. Of course, terrain may otherwise make it difficult to camp if the trail heads right up.
      - Workaccount2 2y ago
        I've done it, it's just a huge PIA compared to out west where you just get on forest roads where there are clearings you pull into an camp all over the place. The east coast just has this strong hostility towards camping for some reason.
        ghaff 2y ago
        There are a lot more people looking to camp in generally smaller areas especially on weekends. And the east doesn’t have the large networks of forest roads and almost roads and not really roads that you have in many western national forests and BLM land. The West obviously has plenty of camping restrictions in popular areas like national parks and wilderness areas where you may have year in advance lotteries. I’m not sure why the east would be uniquely hostile given the same agencies administer federal land across the whole country. But, in general, yes if you want to get away from people and have more flexibility in where you can camp, you’re probably best off traveling to the western states.

Yep, if people want to do that there are hundreds of miles of forest service roads they can use to drive in to our national forests.

by rrix2 2y ago

Yep, if people want to do that there are hundreds of miles of forest service roads they can use to drive in to our national forests.

Workaccount2 2y ago

*cries in east coast* Seriously, we have nothing over here. All the land was bought up, often before there even was a united states. And the forests we do have tend to be very heavily regulated. You want to do anything it's all pay for permit and be clustered with a bunch of other permit buyers. I am not aware of single forest in the Northeast where you can just drive in, camp, and leave without breaking the law.

doctoboggan 2y ago
I've done exactly what you describe (drive in, camp, leave without breaking the law) in the White Mountains in NH[0]. In general, dispersed camping[1] is legal in almost all national forest and BLM land. I think many people don't realize this but you can camp for free almost anywhere in a national forest (keeping certain distances from trails, roads and bodies of water) [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mountains_(New_England) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mountains_(New_England) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersed_camping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersed_camping
- prometheus76 2y ago
  Isn't there a 14-day limit in National Parks?
  - ghaff 2y ago
    In general there are far more restrictions in National Parks than in national forests than on BLM land. There are some restrictions but really very few in the latter two categories.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  If you hike in you can camp on the east coast, generally you must be at least 1/4 mile from where you park. On the west coats you can just pull in with your car and set up camp right there.
mazugrin2 2y ago
Check out the White Mountain National Forest in New Hampshire or the Green Mountain National Forest in Vermont. I've heard it's also legal in CT State Forests but haven't actually seen this written down anywhere.
rowdyelectron 2y ago
Greene mountains in VT is one example. You can even shoot there without being bothered. Lmk if you need a list of places in MA NH and VT.
volkl48 2y ago
There's lots of state + national forest land in the Northeast where that's legal. I've done it many times in PA/NY/VT/NH/ME. There are probably some options in the other more developed states too, but I don't usually visit them as much for outdoor recreation. Outside of the most popular locations for tourists that's pretty much the default. ------- If you've had trouble finding this, have you been limiting your search to parks? Parks are usually more heavily restricted in terms of camping.
ghaff 2y ago
White Mountain National Forest for one. There are restriction regarding how close to a trail or hut you can camp and the topography can be challenging but you certainly can. But yes there are orders of magnitude more national forest land out west. Probably more than the size of the entire or maybe UK.
zhynn 2y ago
I'll just leave this here: https://fpr.vermont.gov/recreation/activities/camping/primitive-camping https://fpr.vermont.gov/recreation/activities/camping/primit... There are many, and nobody goes there.
dhagberg 2y ago
Historically, Maine had excellent recreation policies in cooperation with the private paper companies that owned the majority of land in the northern part of the state: areas not actively being logged were available for recreation access, as were vehicles on logging roads (though you best yield to the logging trucks that drive down the middle of the roads, even if it means you need to dive into the ditch). State recreation fees for snowmobiles, fishing, etc. would cover things like insuring the private landowners against liability. However, starting in the mid/late 90's, much of the paper company land was divested and sold to private equity land holders (yay modern finance!) and those previous open access policies have been very much curtailed. It's a big loss to the community, but it sure must be making some money for shareholders somewhere...
throw7 2y ago
In NY, the state parks will be heavily regulated having designated pay for/reserved camp spots along with amenities. However, the forest preserves (Adirondacks/Catskills) and state forests do allow backcountry/primitive camping. Just look for a nearby state forest and look up the dec regulations for that site. More than likely you can can primitive camp there.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  You can primitive/dispersed camp at most forests in the NE. However they all require being far from a road. The best you can do is park and hike in.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    1/4 mile is not far from a road. Of course, terrain may otherwise make it difficult to camp if the trail heads right up.
    - Workaccount2 2y ago
      I've done it, it's just a huge PIA compared to out west where you just get on forest roads where there are clearings you pull into an camp all over the place. The east coast just has this strong hostility towards camping for some reason.
      - ghaff 2y ago
        There are a lot more people looking to camp in generally smaller areas especially on weekends. And the east doesn’t have the large networks of forest roads and almost roads and not really roads that you have in many western national forests and BLM land. The West obviously has plenty of camping restrictions in popular areas like national parks and wilderness areas where you may have year in advance lotteries. I’m not sure why the east would be uniquely hostile given the same agencies administer federal land across the whole country. But, in general, yes if you want to get away from people and have more flexibility in where you can camp, you’re probably best off traveling to the western states.