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So... just to summarize the state of things: The guy running the leading AI company was previously fired by the board because they didn't think he was showing

So... just to summarize the state of things: The guy running the leading AI company was previously fired by the board because they didn't think he was showing proper restraint with regard to A LOT of areas. That decision was quickly overturned. And now we have OpenAI showing that they have no qualms about deep-faking a voice actor if they don't get the proper rights. And we're supposed to believe that OpenAI has the proper protections in place to safely bring into fruition the AI of tomorrow?

Mountain_Skies 2y ago
The Board of Directors firing him would have had a better chance of sticking if they had been open and clear from the beginning instead of playing some weird Cloak and Dagger game that made them look suspicious. It's quite possible that both Sam and the Board are in over their heads.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Yep agreed, the secrecy is making this all a whole lot worse. I'm looking for to the point when we find out what really happened, assuming that comes out in my life time.
- gmerc 2y ago
  When you handle a sociopath who was already trying to dismantle the board, no, you don’t deal with him in the open by broadcasting your every move. You also try to handle it internally. We will wish in the future they had succeeded. He’s on the Elon fast track.
  - scintill76 2y ago
    In what ways is/will he be like Elon?
freedomben 2y ago
> And now we have OpenAI showing that they have no qualms about deep-faking a voice actor if they don't get the proper rights. No, that isn't established. They are claiming they used a different actress, so no deep-faking involved. If the actress turns out to not be real, then yes Sam A is guilty of lying and some pretty gross behavior. If it turns out to be true though, what they did is a bit scummy, but not dishonest ~and not illegal~, unless you believe that people who sound similar to Scarlett Johansson don't have the same rights to their voice as Johansson does to hers. Edit: It may actually be illegal given the intent. There is court precedent on this
- kevingadd 2y ago
  You may be surprised to learn that the latter case is still of questionable legality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
  - freedomben 2y ago
    Well I'll be damned. Thank you!
- saurik 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421759 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421759 <not2b> The answer, based on two different court precedents (Bette Midler, Tom Waits), is that the company can't do that. Companies cannot hire soundalike people to advertise their products after the person with a distinctive voice they really wanted declined. Doesn't matter if they hired a soundalike and used her voice.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    I think that is different than deepfaking something
    - appplication 2y ago
      It’s a good ol fashioned shallowfake
    - tivert 2y ago
      > I think that is different than deepfaking something I don't understand how it's different in any material way.
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I think it says something different about intent, rights, and expectations if someone engineers a voice model based on someone's copyright work, versus just finding another real human who's voice is close enough to what you want.

Mountain_Skies 2y ago

The Board of Directors firing him would have had a better chance of sticking if they had been open and clear from the beginning instead of playing some weird Cloak and Dagger game that made them look suspicious. It's quite possible that both Sam and the Board are in over their heads.

freedomben 2y ago
Yep agreed, the secrecy is making this all a whole lot worse. I'm looking for to the point when we find out what really happened, assuming that comes out in my life time.
gmerc 2y ago
When you handle a sociopath who was already trying to dismantle the board, no, you don’t deal with him in the open by broadcasting your every move. You also try to handle it internally. We will wish in the future they had succeeded. He’s on the Elon fast track.
- scintill76 2y ago
  In what ways is/will he be like Elon?

freedomben 2y ago

> And now we have OpenAI showing that they have no qualms about deep-faking a voice actor if they don't get the proper rights. No, that isn't established. They are claiming they used a different actress, so no deep-faking involved. If the actress turns out to not be real, then yes Sam A is guilty of lying and some pretty gross behavior. If it turns out to be true though, what they did is a bit scummy, but not dishonest ~and not illegal~, unless you believe that people who sound similar to Scarlett Johansson don't have the same rights to their voice as Johansson does to hers. Edit: It may actually be illegal given the intent. There is court precedent on this

kevingadd 2y ago
You may be surprised to learn that the latter case is still of questionable legality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Well I'll be damned. Thank you!
saurik 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421759 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421759 <not2b> The answer, based on two different court precedents (Bette Midler, Tom Waits), is that the company can't do that. Companies cannot hire soundalike people to advertise their products after the person with a distinctive voice they really wanted declined. Doesn't matter if they hired a soundalike and used her voice.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  I think that is different than deepfaking something
  - appplication 2y ago
    It’s a good ol fashioned shallowfake
  - tivert 2y ago
    > I think that is different than deepfaking something I don't understand how it's different in any material way.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      I think it says something different about intent, rights, and expectations if someone engineers a voice model based on someone's copyright work, versus just finding another real human who's voice is close enough to what you want.