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Honestly at this point we could have just had standardized infrastructure for self-driving vehicles to guide them along the road. We had government programs do

Honestly at this point we could have just had standardized infrastructure for self-driving vehicles to guide them along the road. We had government programs doing exactly this until republicans gutted them. Would have been more stable, cost-efficient, safer, and it'd actually exist today. The reality is that there are fundamental, unsolvable problems with the current "self-driving" stack. From the cameras to signal processing. Everyone involved in this space has been repeating the same thing since basically the early 2010's. Just stop pouring needless amounts of money into these projects that have offered very little fruit. Build the standardized, simpler infra with the money and fund trains while we're at it. Stop this non-sense.

gilbetron 2y ago
This just doesn't work. You can make standardized infra, ignoring the insane cost it would take, but still the cars need to handle unusual situations even within that standardized infra. If you want autonomous vehicles on the road, they need to handle situations just like humans can. Reality is messy. Even in factories, within intense control, autonomous robots can struggle and it takes a lot of effort to keep them functioning.
- whoknowsidont 2y ago
  >but still the cars need to handle unusual situations even within that standardized infra. So? You're missing the point. It'd still be miles and miles ahead of where we are today. AND it'd still cost less money than we've spent today AND it'd keep money in the right places AND it'd provide plenty of useful jobs for people that need it. This wasn't some hypothetical either. We had working standards and working prototypes for all of this. Congress was actually gearing up to make this a reality back around 2010. But Republicans. It's what we in the business call a "no brainer." Saying "it just doesn't work" when it CLEARLY did is wild.
  - gilbetron 2y ago
    I completely disagree. You're basically saying we should create something like an automotive/train hybrid system across the country hitting all communities in the country. That would take trillions. Like actually trillions, and it still wouldn't be good as having autonomous vehicles, because once we have autonomous vehicles, we also have autonomous aircraft and ships and all kinds of great things.
    - whoknowsidont 2y ago
      >I completely disagree. That's nice dear. >That would take trillions. You know a lot of this was again, already figured out. Instead of making up numbers you could just go read the ITSPAC reports.
kevincox 2y ago
While we are at it we could also have the government provide the cards as well. Oh, that is a subway system.
- whoknowsidont 2y ago
  The actual legitimate solution here, but unfortunately politically untenable.

gilbetron 2y ago

This just doesn't work. You can make standardized infra, ignoring the insane cost it would take, but still the cars need to handle unusual situations even within that standardized infra. If you want autonomous vehicles on the road, they need to handle situations just like humans can. Reality is messy. Even in factories, within intense control, autonomous robots can struggle and it takes a lot of effort to keep them functioning.

whoknowsidont 2y ago
>but still the cars need to handle unusual situations even within that standardized infra. So? You're missing the point. It'd still be miles and miles ahead of where we are today. AND it'd still cost less money than we've spent today AND it'd keep money in the right places AND it'd provide plenty of useful jobs for people that need it. This wasn't some hypothetical either. We had working standards and working prototypes for all of this. Congress was actually gearing up to make this a reality back around 2010. But Republicans. It's what we in the business call a "no brainer." Saying "it just doesn't work" when it CLEARLY did is wild.
- gilbetron 2y ago
  I completely disagree. You're basically saying we should create something like an automotive/train hybrid system across the country hitting all communities in the country. That would take trillions. Like actually trillions, and it still wouldn't be good as having autonomous vehicles, because once we have autonomous vehicles, we also have autonomous aircraft and ships and all kinds of great things.
  - whoknowsidont 2y ago
    >I completely disagree. That's nice dear. >That would take trillions. You know a lot of this was again, already figured out. Instead of making up numbers you could just go read the ITSPAC reports.

kevincox 2y ago

While we are at it we could also have the government provide the cards as well. Oh, that is a subway system.

whoknowsidont 2y ago
The actual legitimate solution here, but unfortunately politically untenable.