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> While no one was behind the wheel during my rides, Waymo has remote operators that sometimes provide guidance to its vehicles (Waymo declined to tell me whet

> While no one was behind the wheel during my rides, Waymo has remote operators that sometimes provide guidance to its vehicles (Waymo declined to tell me whether—or how often—remote operators intervened during my rides) So basically Waymo are remote controlled taxis

Retric 2y ago
When a 10 person team can handle 100+ cars we call that automation Remote control like this requires cars to safely deal with hazards on their own. But, it doesn’t require software to be able to solve every problem.
- kbos87 2y ago
  I don't have any experience with Waymo taxis yet, but I have no doubt that a 10 person team could reliably handle 100+ Teslas today.
  - Retric 2y ago
    That’s why people many people think Tesla is behind on the path of self driving. It’s good enough when someone sitting in the drivers seat and paying attention, but that’s a long way from self driving.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    How could someone pay continuous attention to 10 different cars, ready to intervene in less than a second at any time for any of them? Because that is the standard that is required to drive a Tesla "FSD" vehicle.
- wpietri 2y ago
  Have they announce any numbers like that? The only thing I can recall hearing was having 72 operators for 50 vehicles, but that was back at initial launch. If I were in their shoes, especially given the Cruise debacle, I'd have continuous remote human monitoring of every vehicle. They're already burning billions on this; if having one minimum-wage worker per vehicle just hovering over a big red stop button prevents a gruesome accident and a multi-month pause, it'd be money well spent.
a1000regrets 2y ago
Not exactly - https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response
Falimonda 2y ago
That might even be the case to some extent today, but can you really blame them? It's the perfect way to integrate RLHF until they've trained out all the kinks.

Retric 2y ago

When a 10 person team can handle 100+ cars we call that automation Remote control like this requires cars to safely deal with hazards on their own. But, it doesn’t require software to be able to solve every problem.

kbos87 2y ago
I don't have any experience with Waymo taxis yet, but I have no doubt that a 10 person team could reliably handle 100+ Teslas today.
- Retric 2y ago
  That’s why people many people think Tesla is behind on the path of self driving. It’s good enough when someone sitting in the drivers seat and paying attention, but that’s a long way from self driving.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  How could someone pay continuous attention to 10 different cars, ready to intervene in less than a second at any time for any of them? Because that is the standard that is required to drive a Tesla "FSD" vehicle.
wpietri 2y ago
Have they announce any numbers like that? The only thing I can recall hearing was having 72 operators for 50 vehicles, but that was back at initial launch. If I were in their shoes, especially given the Cruise debacle, I'd have continuous remote human monitoring of every vehicle. They're already burning billions on this; if having one minimum-wage worker per vehicle just hovering over a big red stop button prevents a gruesome accident and a multi-month pause, it'd be money well spent.

a1000regrets 2y ago

Not exactly - https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response

Falimonda 2y ago

That might even be the case to some extent today, but can you really blame them? It's the perfect way to integrate RLHF until they've trained out all the kinks.