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Microsoft Paint's new AI image generator builds on your brushstrokes
- Jupe 2y agoNo idea if this any good... Every 3 seconds of video spawns a 10 second video advertisement. I gave up.
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoThis extremely short demo video was embedded in the article. It gives a good gist of what it does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEd3YbCeXYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEd3YbCeXYk
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- al_borland 2y agoI watched this 4 times and I kind of get it, but it is a horrible demo that ends so fast it’s hard to evaluate what happened. This seems like it should be a 5 minute demo, from a blank canvas to the turtle.
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoNeat to see this particular tech again. I think it's cool for art's sake. Something someone can use as they paint, so the final result is all their own brush strokes.
- dylan604 2y agoThat's like calling a paint by numbers art worthy of hanging in a museum. It just let's someone look like they have talent while possessing nothing of the sort.
- hot_gril 2y agoMan it's just fun to make paintings. I don't need AI everywhere, but since it's impossible to draw stuff with precision using a mouse, this makes sense. Also when you want detailed control over AI images, this might be a lot easier than using text prompts.
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- IanCal 2y ago> It just let's someone look like they have talent while possessing nothing of the sort. That sounds like a big "just". So it lets people without talent make something that looks like a person with talent made it? Sounds pretty good.
- warkdarrior 2y agoHow dare they!!??! /s
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoI think it's closer to tracing. If the end result of following an AI is capped by being somewhat flawed or the artist not learning certain skills, is that a bad thing? I see it as a limitation instead of a negative. Copying AI art can only get someone so far. The best results will come from the artist making their own decisions.
- dylan604 2y agoWho is copying AI art? They are using "AI" to create "art". They are drawing less than primitive shapes, and the AI is turning it into something. The funny thing is, the video is so short and clipped it's farcical. This takes "Draw a circle, draw the rest of the fucking owl" to an entirely different level.
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoI was thinking of following along to the AI generated output for inspiration. But you're right that that's a major feature.
- GaggiX 2y agoI red that the AI runs locally, but then the image is uploaded to Microsoft servers to check that it doesn't violate any policies.
- nwoli 2y agoHopefully someone reverse engineers the model (unless this is a joke)
- GaggiX 2y agoIt's not a joke unfortunately. From: https://stratechery.com/2024/windows-returns/ https://stratechery.com/2024/windows-returns/ "That latency, frustratingly enough, doesn’t come from the actual rendering, which happens locally on that beefy hardware, but rather the fact that Cocreator validates everything with the cloud for “safety”"
- __loam 2y agoHaha that's absolutely terrible.
- nwoli 2y agoWeird since if image generation can run locally a simple classifier (eg clip) aught to be sufficient and run locally as well before presenting the image
- surfingdino 2y agoI suspect they have humans reviewing those images and training AI in the process.
- hot_gril 2y agoOnly explanation that makes sense so far.
- politelemon 2y agoHow are they able to sustain keeping this free? Or is the idea that it's a demo for now and they try to charge for this later?
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- rchaud 2y agoWindows 11 has ads in the Start Menu now.
- maximus-decimus 2y agoI honestly don't mind that as much as them searching the whole web when I'm searching for a local file.
- Mo3 2y agoBrother all of this upcoming AI integration in Windows opens a whole new era of siphoning off valuable user data, that little stable diffusion on MS Paint there could be written off as a small PR and marketing position. In any case it runs locally.
- wredue 2y agoI have absolutely no idea what data they’re even getting out of this. I am probably more privacy oriented than the next guy, and I’m just not really seeing the pitch here.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoAn incentive to stay on Windows and/or update to their new "AI-enabled" Surface line? Most regular users will just parse this as "oh that cool generative art AI thing comes built into Windows!". EDIT: I mean, you don't need to look far to see this effect; see e.g.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40447474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40447474.
- vunderba 2y agoIt's a little bit more work to set up, but I'd recommend Krita with diffusion if you want to get into this. Runs locally, swap exact checkpoints you want to use, supports poseable controlnets, and it doesn't phone home to mommy Microsoft. https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion Video demonstration https://youtu.be/AF2VyqSApjA https://youtu.be/AF2VyqSApjA
- hot_gril 2y agoI was about to ask how you do the equivalent in Krita, but I saw the GitHub showed that under "Using ControlNet to guide image generation with a crude scribble". Cool, gonna try this on my Mac mini.
- 3abiton 2y agoI got myself recently one of those cheap graphic tablets (Huion), for some drawing and note taking, and discovered Krita. Absolutely amazing open-source software. And integration with SD is just amazing.
- noman-land 2y agoAgreed. I was looking for a FLOSS Photoshop and stumbled upon this gem. Outstanding piece of work, this is. Up there with the greats like Blender, DaVinci Resolve, VLC.
- squigz 2y agoSharing this for absolutely no reason ;) https://krita.org/en/donations/ https://krita.org/en/donations/
- skybrian 2y agoMaybe someone could explain what I'm doing wrong? Using the online service, I couldn't figure out how to get it to generate an image from a doodle using img2img. Generating an image from a text prompt works, but that's nothing new. Running locally, it was way too slow on my M2 Mac Air.
- ArcaneMoose 2y agoLove this direction for Paint. Simplistic but capable and fun for kids (the original's main strength)
- al_borland 2y agoI worry tools like this will make kids not bother with developing their own drawing skills.
- lethologica 2y agoIn the same way that photoshop meant that people didn’t have to learn how different brushes and mediums work on different surfaces? People have been worrying about this since the time Socrates thought that books would make people dumb because they wouldn’t need to memorise anything. I’m an artist and I’m excited to see how people learn to use these new tools in creative ways.
- rchaud 2y agoIt really isn't the same. Photoshop is a) not a drawing app b) an expensive prosumer tool with a UI that rivals airplane instrument panels in terms of density. Most kids would be turned off by that as soon as they open it. MS Paint OTOH is free and has been built into Windows for decades, so it's often the first drawing app kids use (may be different now because of mobile apps). Either way, the 'loss-of-skills' concern here is correlated with the dumbing-down of computing in general, from Gen Z's confusion about file managers and directory structures, to using Grammarly and ChatGPT to write papers. When I was growing up, my parents would say "You won't always have a calculator in your pocket". Well, they were wrong, but that doesn't mean I don't still benefit from being able to do math in my head for general life stuff (and back of the napkin calculations at work).
- freeone3000 2y agoWorrying about this is a bit like your middle school math teacher saying “you won’t always have a calculator in your pocket”. But then we did! Basic arithmetic is no longer a needed skill.
- kurts_mustache 2y agoFirst time in a long time I kind of wish I had a Windows machine to try this out.
- wruza 2y agoSubj works absolutely the same as sdwebui’s img2img/sketch tab, but with less features. The ui may be overwhelming for the first time, but there’s nothing really hard if you just want to try it out.
- tithe 2y agoPutting AI in MS Paint feels like putting a flux capacitor in a Geo Metro.
- qingcharles 2y agoI think someone at MS hit their head on the toilet...
- SunlitCat 2y ago...yeah but you know, 1.21 Gigawatts!
- dmix 2y agoThis is very close minded. Won't someone think of the MS Paints PM's corporate career prospects if they didn't do this?
- jpalomaki 2y agoI think there's some history to it. Didn't they release Paint 3D around the time when Hololens and mixed reality was about to be the next big thing?
- mft_ 2y agoI like the idea that in MS (as probably in so many companies right now) there's a diktat (official or not) to start using AI everywhere. And somewhere on the Paint team someone smiled, and thought "hold my beer"... (Just wait until we get Co-pilot baked into Notepad!)
- TheRealNGenius 2y ago[dead]
- binarymax 2y agoIt’s not April 1st. What’s going on here? Should notepad complete your sentences too? Maybe file explorer should just make new files for you!
- 2four2 2y agoInstaller should install programs without your input, and Settings should change your settings! Oh wait
- osmsucks 2y agoSssh! Don't give them ideas...
- over_bridge 2y agoJira now makes your requirements for you. They all seem perfectly logical and not connected to anything your actual customers need.
- sunaookami 2y agoSo no difference to the real thing? ;)
- trustno2 2y agoI hope it can figure out story points for me, as I never understand what they mean and what value to put there. I think AI will be better at story point estimation than me.
- davely 2y agoYou have to strike while the iron is hot! Even iTerm just released an update that adds an “AI concierge” to your terminal… And no, it’s still not April 1st!
- raincole 2y agoWell Edge browser does complete your sentences.
- qingcharles 2y ago
- Aaronontheweb 2y agoWe'll see how "sell AI itself as a feature" rather than building actually useful features with AI works.
- fastball 2y agoIf you haven't seen what they've been doing over at tldraw[1] with AI, you definitely should. A different direction from MS Paint, but very cool. [1] https://x.com/tldraw https://x.com/tldraw
- mordae 2y agoRecently I've been walking a considerably younger colleague through linear interpolation and since they use Copilot, we were constantly being interrupted by it's suggestions. It was definitely not conductive to the learning process. I imagine having something similar in paint will prove pretty distracting as well.
- beretguy 2y agoClippy 2.0.
- roydivision 2y agoEh? The whole point of Paint was that it never changed. It's even been copied for it's simplicity, a clone of which is the only painting app I have on my Mac exactly because all it does is the basics. Adding AI to it is a joke.
- larodi 2y agoJust showed as I read this to a painter/ex-architect girl which replied ‘damn this AI I’m going to be out of job very soon’.
- auggierose 2y agoIs that something that you could do with an Open AI API call?
- greybox 2y agoDoes nobody take joy in creating something themselves anymore? Everything has become about the end result, and it's a shame. I'm not sure what we're loosing, but it's something
- rchaud 2y agoThat assumes that this is something people asked for, and not a case of MS shoehorning AI into everything to look "AI-native" to pump their stock. Microsoft has long had a 'vote for features' thing on their support forums [0]. I can guarantee that not one person has ever said that MS Paint needed an AI makeover. [0] https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback
- yieldcrv 2y agoI know several locally renowned artists, the kind that make big murals in celebrities mansions, who have switched to AI work They wanted to express themselves in the output that the AI was giving them all their lives I don’t think it’s that complicated, if you want to express yourself a certain way, manually, you still can. Now more people, including professionals, can express themselves the way they wanted
- throwaway425933 2y agoSomeone of us engineers would like to create (reasonable looking) art, but are so bad that we could use as much AI help as we can.
- pwenzel 2y agoYeah, I feel cynical saying this, but who wants to create art that looks and feels just like everything else?
- kome 2y agoMost people. But also, I used to do midjourney, and I know art history quite well, and mixing my knowledge with midjourney, I created really good and original stuff, because I knew how to write the prompts. Instead, I feel that with OpenAi, image creation is really crippled by copyright. But I also generated cute and interesting stuff - but it does look made by AI.
- agilob 2y agoWhat if copilot is down? I wont be able to use MS Paint?
- INTPenis 2y agoMe being perpetually unartistic I would actually love it if I could just make some sketches and AI could beautify them for me, or fill in the blanks and render what I want. This would be like what frameworks were for artists who wanted to make full stack webapps.