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I don't need a 100% drop-in. Barely anyone does. I've observed at least 80% of all of the coreutils features are not used by 90% - 99% of programmers and sysadm

I don't need a 100% drop-in. Barely anyone does. I've observed at least 80% of all of the coreutils features are not used by 90% - 99% of programmers and sysadmins. Ask people if they used all flags of `sort` and report back results as a test of my hypothesis. > The right questions according to who? This is tiring. I told you twice that I'd prefer you engaging in technical merits. You keep drawing attention to what is annoying you but you'll have to talk to your friends and family about that because I am not interested. Bye.

nottorp 2y ago
But the only "technical merit" seems to be "omg it's more secure". I've literally never seen any other argument in favor of Rust.
- l33t7332273 2y ago
  Is security not a technical merit?
  - jstimpfle 2y ago
    It is but there are other technical and non-technical merits too. "Security" doesn't trump all. If you need secure, turn off your computer. I tried Rust and downloaded some projects that should be comparatively simple (e.g. text editor). "cargo build" downloaded and built about 500 dependencies. The Rust ecosystem had a chance to convince me, and it sure has some convincing results. But it wasn't my cup of tea. If you included hundreds of dependencies to do what you can't easily do yourself within the "safe" framework, that may or may not be the language's or the ecosystem's failure. But the attribute "secure" for such a project is questionable. As NPM history or a certain guy or the recent events around the xz project illustrate well.
    - pdimitar 2y ago
      `cargo-geiger` would like a word. Feel free to try it. Number of dependencies is a bad signal for JS projects, I am not so sure the same applies for Rust however.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
I don't see many CVEs in coreutils. Maybe one or two, in several decades? I do on occasion use obscure flags (or at least ones that are obscure to me). > This is tiring. Hey, you're the one keeping the argument going...
- pdimitar 2y ago
  One more person misinterpreting? Cool. I am getting tired of being misinterpreted, not of the argument itself because the argument ended several comments ago and the person focused on being a little rebel ("who gets the determine the right questions" is his favorite pet peeve apparently). There is no argument currently, just people trying really hard to miss the point that was stated very clearly.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Yeah... I'll just leave the other readers (if anyone else is still reading) to judge whether we missed your point, or you missed ours... (Or, I suppose, whether we're just talking past each other.)
    - pdimitar 2y ago
      By all means, name your exact point then. Mine was that some people needlessly -- and very immaturely -- rebel against using Rust because of something they saw on HN 5 years ago. There's no Rust zealotry here for a long time. I chased after a few people asking them if they really tried it or they simply resist something because it's gaining popularity. How dare I? :D

nottorp 2y ago

But the only "technical merit" seems to be "omg it's more secure". I've literally never seen any other argument in favor of Rust.

l33t7332273 2y ago
Is security not a technical merit?
- jstimpfle 2y ago
  It is but there are other technical and non-technical merits too. "Security" doesn't trump all. If you need secure, turn off your computer. I tried Rust and downloaded some projects that should be comparatively simple (e.g. text editor). "cargo build" downloaded and built about 500 dependencies. The Rust ecosystem had a chance to convince me, and it sure has some convincing results. But it wasn't my cup of tea. If you included hundreds of dependencies to do what you can't easily do yourself within the "safe" framework, that may or may not be the language's or the ecosystem's failure. But the attribute "secure" for such a project is questionable. As NPM history or a certain guy or the recent events around the xz project illustrate well.
  - pdimitar 2y ago
    `cargo-geiger` would like a word. Feel free to try it. Number of dependencies is a bad signal for JS projects, I am not so sure the same applies for Rust however.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

I don't see many CVEs in coreutils. Maybe one or two, in several decades? I do on occasion use obscure flags (or at least ones that are obscure to me). > This is tiring. Hey, you're the one keeping the argument going...

pdimitar 2y ago
One more person misinterpreting? Cool. I am getting tired of being misinterpreted, not of the argument itself because the argument ended several comments ago and the person focused on being a little rebel ("who gets the determine the right questions" is his favorite pet peeve apparently). There is no argument currently, just people trying really hard to miss the point that was stated very clearly.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Yeah... I'll just leave the other readers (if anyone else is still reading) to judge whether we missed your point, or you missed ours... (Or, I suppose, whether we're just talking past each other.)
  - pdimitar 2y ago
    By all means, name your exact point then. Mine was that some people needlessly -- and very immaturely -- rebel against using Rust because of something they saw on HN 5 years ago. There's no Rust zealotry here for a long time. I chased after a few people asking them if they really tried it or they simply resist something because it's gaining popularity. How dare I? :D