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In enterprise deployments, Microsoft Office -- the end user killer app for Windows systems -- already reports on you to your boss, even if you use the binaries

In enterprise deployments, Microsoft Office -- the end user killer app for Windows systems -- already reports on you to your boss, even if you use the binaries and not the cloud versions. Your boss getting a copy of your Recall timeline is a thing that can't not happen. It's too valuable. It may be the strongest value prop of the feature.

thefz 2y ago
Any employee surveillance is wildly and widely illegal in EU. So much that a store owner can't even put a surveillance camera for a cash register if an employee is there.
inetknght 2y ago
> It's too valuable. It's amazing how industrially stripping privacy from people is "valuable"
brokencode 2y ago
There are already plenty of programs out there that employers can install on employee machines to track activity and log periodic screenshots. Employers can also read all employee emails, Teams messages, etc. So I don’t see why Recall is being cast as some disastrous new spyware that is going to ruin computer privacy. If you’re using a company device, you already might have effectively no privacy.
- bitwize 2y ago
  What triggered me as to Recall's true ulterior purpose was the fact that it resembled the software oDesk (now Upwork) made you install, which periodically took screenshots and camera shots to ensure you weren't goldbricking. When it was just an application, companies could refuse to install it. They could say, nah, trust in our employees is part of our culture. When it's built in to everybody's OS, it becomes much harder to refuse to gather and use everybody's data. It's like the heat detector under everybody's desk: ostensibly it's there to measure the need to run A/C... but as long as it's there why not use it as an absenteeism detector? Plus, the data gathered is much more extensive, and much more searchable, with the proposed Microsoft solution.
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- pennybanks1 2y ago
  theres a reason companies give you phone, car, card, etc. you give some and gain some its just how it works. its odd very smart people cant really grasp this concept. would the average person rather pay monthly for youtube, maps, office, windows, pay per google search. or would they rather accept some advertising, telemetry etc and not pay or not pay as much
  - happypumpkin 2y ago
    I think if the average person was made aware of the hidden costs in free services, and alternatives to them, that far less people would pick the free services. Imagine browsers were forced to present multiple default search engine options with a list of what data they collect and their price point. It might look something like this: Google ------ Data collected: All of it. Uses it for: Whatever they want. Advertising, sells to your insurance company, sells to the government, trains AI models. Price: Free Kagi ---- Data collected: Your signup email Uses it for: Giving it to the government if legally mandated Price: $10/mo I think a large double digit percentage of average people (in countries where $10/mo is cheap at least) would not choose Google. Maybe I'm being too optimistic though.
  - rnd0 2y ago
    kagi? youtube premium?

thefz 2y ago

Any employee surveillance is wildly and widely illegal in EU. So much that a store owner can't even put a surveillance camera for a cash register if an employee is there.

inetknght 2y ago

> It's too valuable. It's amazing how industrially stripping privacy from people is "valuable"

brokencode 2y ago

There are already plenty of programs out there that employers can install on employee machines to track activity and log periodic screenshots. Employers can also read all employee emails, Teams messages, etc. So I don’t see why Recall is being cast as some disastrous new spyware that is going to ruin computer privacy. If you’re using a company device, you already might have effectively no privacy.

bitwize 2y ago
What triggered me as to Recall's true ulterior purpose was the fact that it resembled the software oDesk (now Upwork) made you install, which periodically took screenshots and camera shots to ensure you weren't goldbricking. When it was just an application, companies could refuse to install it. They could say, nah, trust in our employees is part of our culture. When it's built in to everybody's OS, it becomes much harder to refuse to gather and use everybody's data. It's like the heat detector under everybody's desk: ostensibly it's there to measure the need to run A/C... but as long as it's there why not use it as an absenteeism detector? Plus, the data gathered is much more extensive, and much more searchable, with the proposed Microsoft solution.
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pennybanks1 2y ago
theres a reason companies give you phone, car, card, etc. you give some and gain some its just how it works. its odd very smart people cant really grasp this concept. would the average person rather pay monthly for youtube, maps, office, windows, pay per google search. or would they rather accept some advertising, telemetry etc and not pay or not pay as much
- happypumpkin 2y ago
  I think if the average person was made aware of the hidden costs in free services, and alternatives to them, that far less people would pick the free services. Imagine browsers were forced to present multiple default search engine options with a list of what data they collect and their price point. It might look something like this: Google ------ Data collected: All of it. Uses it for: Whatever they want. Advertising, sells to your insurance company, sells to the government, trains AI models. Price: Free Kagi ---- Data collected: Your signup email Uses it for: Giving it to the government if legally mandated Price: $10/mo I think a large double digit percentage of average people (in countries where $10/mo is cheap at least) would not choose Google. Maybe I'm being too optimistic though.
- rnd0 2y ago
  kagi? youtube premium?