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This article deserves a huge [citation needed] since Microsoft said these features are provided locally. I understand that in general Windows 11 loves phoning h

• byteknight 2y ago
  Processing and sending are two separate unrelated things. You can process entirely on device and still send the base data or results. Both things can be true at the same time.
  • wmf 2y ago
    Sure, but I still want to see specifics.
• AlexandrB 2y ago
  It's like Charlie Brown with the football. Maybe this time she won't pull it away from me at the last moment.
• bitwize 2y ago
  In enterprise deployments, Microsoft Office -- the end user killer app for Windows systems -- already reports on you to your boss, even if you use the binaries and not the cloud versions. Your boss getting a copy of your Recall timeline is a thing that can't not happen. It's too valuable. It may be the strongest value prop of the feature.
  • thefz 2y ago
    Any employee surveillance is wildly and widely illegal in EU. So much that a store owner can't even put a surveillance camera for a cash register if an employee is there.
  • inetknght 2y ago
    > It's too valuable. It's amazing how industrially stripping privacy from people is "valuable"
  • brokencode 2y ago
    There are already plenty of programs out there that employers can install on employee machines to track activity and log periodic screenshots. Employers can also read all employee emails, Teams messages, etc. So I don’t see why Recall is being cast as some disastrous new spyware that is going to ruin computer privacy. If you’re using a company device, you already might have effectively no privacy.
    • bitwize 2y ago
      What triggered me as to Recall's true ulterior purpose was the fact that it resembled the software oDesk (now Upwork) made you install, which periodically took screenshots and camera shots to ensure you weren't goldbricking. When it was just an application, companies could refuse to install it. They could say, nah, trust in our employees is part of our culture. When it's built in to everybody's OS, it becomes much harder to refuse to gather and use everybody's data. It's like the heat detector under everybody's desk: ostensibly it's there to measure the need to run A/C... but as long as it's there why not use it as an absenteeism detector? Plus, the data gathered is much more extensive, and much more searchable, with the proposed Microsoft solution.
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    • pennybanks1 2y ago
      theres a reason companies give you phone, car, card, etc. you give some and gain some its just how it works. its odd very smart people cant really grasp this concept. would the average person rather pay monthly for youtube, maps, office, windows, pay per google search. or would they rather accept some advertising, telemetry etc and not pay or not pay as much
      • happypumpkin 2y ago
        I think if the average person was made aware of the hidden costs in free services, and alternatives to them, that far less people would pick the free services. Imagine browsers were forced to present multiple default search engine options with a list of what data they collect and their price point. It might look something like this: Google ------ Data collected: All of it. Uses it for: Whatever they want. Advertising, sells to your insurance company, sells to the government, trains AI models. Price: Free Kagi ---- Data collected: Your signup email Uses it for: Giving it to the government if legally mandated Price: $10/mo I think a large double digit percentage of average people (in countries where $10/mo is cheap at least) would not choose Google. Maybe I'm being too optimistic though.
• walterbell 2y ago
  If you build it, they will come. 10K+ papers in two decades, https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=lifelogging https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=lifelogging
  • etrautmann 2y ago
    ?
    • walterbell 2y ago
      Do you have a question?
• kornhole 2y ago
  IOS AI is also local, but that was exploited in Operation Triangulation to determine which photos to send back to the exploiter. My point is that even if the AI is local, if someone else can get access to the system as your boss and possibly MS or others can due to Windows and MS services already very network connected design, local AI can help them out.
  • pennybanks1 2y ago
    if someone can get access to your system they would be able to do a lot of things AI or not. and yes ms can also get access to your system infact they already do and its not only becuse of some faulty design. its very intentional, i mean its a ms os and they update it like everyday lol they dont need to go through your local ai