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Why do it feel like everyone is copying rust

lnxg33k1 2y ago
I feel like this is more of a pure oop suggestion, that rust, even as a non oop language, implemented quite well
_lvbh 2y ago
Because Rust got it right. Zig is THE language I’m looking forward to growing which adopts a lot of the best parts of Rust while keeping things simple like Go.
- papichulo2023 2y ago
  If only would have its amazing std :(
  - throwaway2037 2y ago
    Can you provide some concrete examples of where the Rust standard lib is superior to the Zig standard lib? I'm talking about the library, not the language.
toast0 2y ago
I use Rust for work, and I mostly dislike it, but Result and ? are pretty nice (when the type system doesn't get in the way)
- dlivingston 2y ago
  What about Rust do you dislike?
  - toast0 2y ago
    I posted a rant here... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121489 But I'll add that I'm happier in languages that are less structured with types and things. Perl, PHP, Erlang. Where I can just write my code and see if it works, and add checks later, if need be. Erlang's model of 'let it crash' is perfect for me, make the happy path with error checking, but only add error handling if you need to; with hotloading in production so there's little disruption. Faffing about with casting u64 to and from usize when everyone knows I'm only ever running on 64-bit is madness. C feels easier to write than Rust, but then that's because C doesn't care if you tell it to do something stupid, it'll just do it. Also, I don't generally use an IDE, because I'm happy with an editor in one shell and another to compile and run. I do use an IDE when making terrible Android apps and terrible Arduino kinds of things; they're useful, but I can't focus in an IDE the way I can in a terminal text editor, and I've got 25 years of experience in the text editor, so I'm not planning to change.
pjmlp 2y ago
More like Standard ML, but your point stands.

I feel like this is more of a pure oop suggestion, that rust, even as a non oop language, implemented quite well

Because Rust got it right. Zig is THE language I’m looking forward to growing which adopts a lot of the best parts of Rust while keeping things simple like Go.

papichulo2023 2y ago
If only would have its amazing std :(
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  Can you provide some concrete examples of where the Rust standard lib is superior to the Zig standard lib? I'm talking about the library, not the language.

toast0 2y ago

I use Rust for work, and I mostly dislike it, but Result and ? are pretty nice (when the type system doesn't get in the way)

dlivingston 2y ago
What about Rust do you dislike?
- toast0 2y ago
  I posted a rant here... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121489 But I'll add that I'm happier in languages that are less structured with types and things. Perl, PHP, Erlang. Where I can just write my code and see if it works, and add checks later, if need be. Erlang's model of 'let it crash' is perfect for me, make the happy path with error checking, but only add error handling if you need to; with hotloading in production so there's little disruption. Faffing about with casting u64 to and from usize when everyone knows I'm only ever running on 64-bit is madness. C feels easier to write than Rust, but then that's because C doesn't care if you tell it to do something stupid, it'll just do it. Also, I don't generally use an IDE, because I'm happy with an editor in one shell and another to compile and run. I do use an IDE when making terrible Android apps and terrible Arduino kinds of things; they're useful, but I can't focus in an IDE the way I can in a terminal text editor, and I've got 25 years of experience in the text editor, so I'm not planning to change.

pjmlp 2y ago

More like Standard ML, but your point stands.