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Raising complaints internally always has value in any organization. At a minimum, it highlights the fact that people outside the organization think your colleag

Raising complaints internally always has value in any organization. At a minimum, it highlights the fact that people outside the organization think your colleagues are doing a shit job. The patronizing "Oh you silly plebs, we know what we're doing" line is unlikely to get any traction in a developer community where second-guessing and challenging established designs, decisions from SMEs with decades of experience is common.

jsnell 2y ago
I'm not saying there's no value in raising complaints internally. I'm saying that the proposed method of having somebody uninformed do it in an all hands meeting based on internet anecdotes has no value. It has no chance of affecting change.
grayhatter 2y ago
>The patronizing "Oh you silly plebs, we know what we're doing" line is unlikely to get any traction in a developer community where second-guessing and challenging established designs, decisions from SMEs with decades of experience is common. Sounds like you need to start working with smarter people. I used to think this way, until I started working with smart people. Now I still question every decision, but I have experts that I believe will have answers worth listening to. The answers these days are rarely, we know what we're doing, and much more common to be; we tried that but it didn't work because [reason]. Complaints without suggestions or requests are normally ignored.
- pompino 2y ago
  >Sounds like you need to start working with smarter people. I used to think this way, until I started working with smart people. Thanks for the free advice, I guess. >we tried that but it didn't work because [reason]. If you're not producing results, your experience and expertise and knowledge are no longer relevant. Everything has a shelf-life.
  - grayhatter 2y ago
    > If you're not producing results, your experience and expertise and knowledge are no longer relevant. Everything has a shelf-life. ahh, line on graph must go up, huh? this isn't a critique of the suggestion you didn't make which I assume you meant to of: everyone should always be seeking out new ideas to improve the status quo. But the meme that if you're not improving what you're doing has no value is a trash take. CPR hasn't changed dramatically in decades. Good chest compression is still the single most important thing if you want to survive to hospital discharge. But you're right, the paramedic's skills who isn't inventing a new method has no value. sigh

jsnell 2y ago

I'm not saying there's no value in raising complaints internally. I'm saying that the proposed method of having somebody uninformed do it in an all hands meeting based on internet anecdotes has no value. It has no chance of affecting change.

grayhatter 2y ago

>The patronizing "Oh you silly plebs, we know what we're doing" line is unlikely to get any traction in a developer community where second-guessing and challenging established designs, decisions from SMEs with decades of experience is common. Sounds like you need to start working with smarter people. I used to think this way, until I started working with smart people. Now I still question every decision, but I have experts that I believe will have answers worth listening to. The answers these days are rarely, we know what we're doing, and much more common to be; we tried that but it didn't work because [reason]. Complaints without suggestions or requests are normally ignored.

pompino 2y ago
>Sounds like you need to start working with smarter people. I used to think this way, until I started working with smart people. Thanks for the free advice, I guess. >we tried that but it didn't work because [reason]. If you're not producing results, your experience and expertise and knowledge are no longer relevant. Everything has a shelf-life.
- grayhatter 2y ago
  > If you're not producing results, your experience and expertise and knowledge are no longer relevant. Everything has a shelf-life. ahh, line on graph must go up, huh? this isn't a critique of the suggestion you didn't make which I assume you meant to of: everyone should always be seeking out new ideas to improve the status quo. But the meme that if you're not improving what you're doing has no value is a trash take. CPR hasn't changed dramatically in decades. Good chest compression is still the single most important thing if you want to survive to hospital discharge. But you're right, the paramedic's skills who isn't inventing a new method has no value. sigh