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Curious to know what equivalence you’re making?
by h0l0cube 2y ago
Curious to know what equivalence you’re making?
- riehwvfbk 2y agoOh I don't know, trying to make a country with twice the population, 50 times the area, and allied with a superpower a pariah state?
- RealityVoid 2y agoYes, I say it's time to return to peace for our time.
- umeshunni 2y agoI'm still confused
- riehwvfbk 2y agoHint: who (other than Trump) is most often compared to Hitler?
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- paulryanrogers 2y agoPutin? What does being so obtuse add to the discussion?
- riehwvfbk 2y agoI thought it was obvious. Hey, someone downvoted me for it so they must have understood (that, or they reflexively downvote anything they don't understand).
- nerdponx 2y agoOr they downvoted you for being unconstructive and obtuse.
- h0l0cube 2y ago> so they must have understood If you aren't adding to the discussion (e.g., by being obtuse) that's reason enough for a downvote. And underneath it all you're quite brashly making a false equivalence.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoYou conflated WW1 and WW2 and yet give me lectures on style and judge whether the equivalence is false or not? There's a word for that. I don't think I am the one being brash here.
- h0l0cube 2y agoNow you’re strawmanning. Once I knew the argument you were making (which honestly wasn’t clear to me), the overall critique was correct and justifiable, but for one minor error (namely, Germany being in rubble after WW1). Just so you know, I didn’t downvote you.
- h0l0cube 2y agoI sorta kinda agree. The US should really have returned to isolationism after WWII instead of allying with Western Europe in conspicuous opposition to the USSR. On the other hand, the efforts of the USSR to agitate for communist revolutions in other countries made Western Europe – with weakening influence over its colonies – very nervous. But if Russia really wants to stop being a pariah it can just give up its childish posturing, remove its troops from Ukraine and open up its economy, to the benefit of its own people. Sanctions aren’t reparations
- riehwvfbk 2y agoMaybe you missed it, but reparations are already being enacted. Just today the EU approved giving Ukraine $3B that Russia's assets deposited in Europe earned this year. And there are talks about giving Ukraine loans that Russia must then repay.
- h0l0cube 2y ago> there are talks Media murmuring isn't anything legally binding. Russia have plenty of leverage to sue for peace. Namely that this is a war of attrition and Russia has plenty of cannon fodder, exhausting Ukraine in the long run. If it means no more lives lost and the territory returns to pre-war borders, Ukraine would certainly sign without issuing debt. But the Russian leadership has decided that it wants to usurp territory and be the villian, in full understanding of the consequences. After WWI, Germany had to pay ~550 billion dollars after being turned to rubble. That amount compounded with the depression generated enough unrest and bitterness to give Hitler a willing audience. There really is no equivalence here.