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I wonder how long this thread will last on HN... How much influence does @sama have around here nowadays? For the record, I was never impressed with him - I a

I wonder how long this thread will last on HN... How much influence does @sama have around here nowadays? For the record, I was never impressed with him - I am not aware of single consequential thing he has done or built other than take the credit for the fine work of the AI scientist + engineers at OpenAI. It feels like the company is just a vehicle for how own ambition and legacy, not much else.

minimaxir 2y ago
Hacker News is famously editorially independent from YC-affiliated people, and dang has said that specifically avoids killing threads involving YC people/companies (not that Sam Altman is YC-affiliated anymore).
wsatb 2y ago
Couldn't this be said for most CEOs? They're never really the ones doing the dirty work.
- game_the0ry 2y ago
  Not all CEOs are terrible.
sillysaurusx 2y ago
The thread is rightly being knocked off by the mods because there’s zero substance here. It’s a follow-on thread (knock one) to a public uproar (knock two) about something that isn’t representative of a new phenomenon (knock three). This isn’t what HN is for.
- minimaxir 2y ago
  It's likely getting flagged organically (and due to the ratio of comments to upvotes, getting penalized by the flame war detector), but not due to a vast YC conspiracy.
  - sillysaurusx 2y ago
    Hm? You and I agree. There’s no conspiracy here. This is "bog standard moderation", as Dan would say. Look at it this way: if the community didn’t flag it, it would be the mods’ duty to get this one off the front page. So whether it was the community or the mods is incidental.
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dang 2y ago
> I wonder how long this thread will last on HN Users flagged it and it also set off the flamewar detector. I don't think we'd turn the penalties off on this one because because this article is derivative of the threads HN has already had on the recent things - threads like these: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 - May 2024 (970 comments) Jan Leike Resigns from OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40363273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40363273 - May 2024 (391 comments) Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 - May 2024 (780 comments) Edit: also OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121 - May 2024 (961 comments) Those were huge threads! Sometimes media articles are driven by the topic getting discussed on Hacker News in the first place. That is: major HN thread -> journalist takes notice -> article about topic -> HN user submits article -> another HN thread—but now it's a repetitive one. We don't need that feedback loop, especially because the mind tends to resort to indignation to make up for the lack of amusement in repetitive content (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=mind%20amuse%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...), and the earlier threads have been indignant (and repetitive) enough already. > How much influence does @sama have around here nowadays? Zero. He never asked for any change about anything HN-related even while he was running YC, and certainly not since then. Btw Sam was the person who posted https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/two-hn-announcements/ https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/two-hn-announcements/. > For the record, I was never impressed with him (I'll add a personal bit even though that's usually a bad idea... I remember hearing this kind of comment about Sam going back to the Loopt days. My theory is that it had to do with pg praising him so publicly—I think it evoked a "why him and not me?" feeling in readers. The weird-ironic thing is that the complaint has only grown as Sam has achieved more. Running OpenAI through the biggest tech boom since the iPhone is...rather obviously massive. I think if Sam unifies gravity into quantum theory, brokers peace in the middle east, and cures cancer, we'll still be hearing these complaints—because they're not really grounded either in objective achievement or lack of it. It's some kind of second-order phenomenon, and actually rather interesting. At least if you aren't Sam!)
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throw10920 2y ago
I flagged the submission because it's flamebait. It's not intellectually rewarding. It's not suitable for HN. HN is not an advocacy platform.

minimaxir 2y ago

Hacker News is famously editorially independent from YC-affiliated people, and dang has said that specifically avoids killing threads involving YC people/companies (not that Sam Altman is YC-affiliated anymore).

wsatb 2y ago

Couldn't this be said for most CEOs? They're never really the ones doing the dirty work.

game_the0ry 2y ago
Not all CEOs are terrible.

sillysaurusx 2y ago

The thread is rightly being knocked off by the mods because there’s zero substance here. It’s a follow-on thread (knock one) to a public uproar (knock two) about something that isn’t representative of a new phenomenon (knock three). This isn’t what HN is for.

minimaxir 2y ago
It's likely getting flagged organically (and due to the ratio of comments to upvotes, getting penalized by the flame war detector), but not due to a vast YC conspiracy.
- sillysaurusx 2y ago
  Hm? You and I agree. There’s no conspiracy here. This is "bog standard moderation", as Dan would say. Look at it this way: if the community didn’t flag it, it would be the mods’ duty to get this one off the front page. So whether it was the community or the mods is incidental.
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dang 2y ago

> I wonder how long this thread will last on HN Users flagged it and it also set off the flamewar detector. I don't think we'd turn the penalties off on this one because because this article is derivative of the threads HN has already had on the recent things - threads like these: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 - May 2024 (970 comments) Jan Leike Resigns from OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40363273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40363273 - May 2024 (391 comments) Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 - May 2024 (780 comments) Edit: also OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40393121 - May 2024 (961 comments) Those were huge threads! Sometimes media articles are driven by the topic getting discussed on Hacker News in the first place. That is: major HN thread -> journalist takes notice -> article about topic -> HN user submits article -> another HN thread—but now it's a repetitive one. We don't need that feedback loop, especially because the mind tends to resort to indignation to make up for the lack of amusement in repetitive content (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=mind%20amuse%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...), and the earlier threads have been indignant (and repetitive) enough already. > How much influence does @sama have around here nowadays? Zero. He never asked for any change about anything HN-related even while he was running YC, and certainly not since then. Btw Sam was the person who posted https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/two-hn-announcements/ https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/two-hn-announcements/. > For the record, I was never impressed with him (I'll add a personal bit even though that's usually a bad idea... I remember hearing this kind of comment about Sam going back to the Loopt days. My theory is that it had to do with pg praising him so publicly—I think it evoked a "why him and not me?" feeling in readers. The weird-ironic thing is that the complaint has only grown as Sam has achieved more. Running OpenAI through the biggest tech boom since the iPhone is...rather obviously massive. I think if Sam unifies gravity into quantum theory, brokers peace in the middle east, and cures cancer, we'll still be hearing these complaints—because they're not really grounded either in objective achievement or lack of it. It's some kind of second-order phenomenon, and actually rather interesting. At least if you aren't Sam!)

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throw10920 2y ago

I flagged the submission because it's flamebait. It's not intellectually rewarding. It's not suitable for HN. HN is not an advocacy platform.