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You’re talking about someone publishing high quality open source software for over a decade that’s beloved by millions of users. Have some respect, man. You mi

by 9dev 2y ago

You’re talking about someone publishing high quality open source software for over a decade that’s beloved by millions of users. Have some respect, man. You might disagree with the way a specific feature works, but this is absolutely no reason to talk about someone like Mr. Nachman this way.

dewey 2y ago
100% this, it’s honestly a bit embarrassing reading through some of these comments or Gitlab issues (“I would donate if you remove this feature”) as a fellow developer. I expected a bit more of my peers on a developer focused tool.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  "Just for the future, I'd like to have a discussion before introducing highly controversial 'features' like this" is another one. Not only does it come off as entitled and condescending, it also shows they haven't bothered to even look at the existing development process. iTerm2 already has test releases with detailed release notes. https://iterm2.com/downloads.html https://iterm2.com/downloads.html And oh, they're now demanding an apology ... for a gift they willingly grabbed without a single thank you.
sangnoir 2y ago
What is disrespectful about gp's comment? It's okay to disagree with decisions made by even the most dedicated maintainers; I've switched to software (forks, or similar projects) many times on principle - I respect JetBrains, but disagreed with an awful decision they made that was a stain and made me question their judgement and avoid their otherwise excellent IDEs whenever possible. I haven't bought any personal licenses from them since - is that disrespectful in your books? I hope iTerm moves this functionality into a plugin with the next version.
- 9dev 2y ago
  Read their remark again. Tell me in earnest if that is something you would like to hear about yourself, being told to your wife or boss. We’re not talking about a faceless company like JetBrains here, but a single human being, for chrissakes.
  - sangnoir 2y ago
    It's not disrespectful.
    - soraminazuki 2y ago
      I for one am horrified at the sheer amount of ill will and sense of entitlement directed towards a developer who has been working tirelessly on high quality free and open source software out of his spare time. It's a thankless job he has continued for more than a decade. These people have benefitted from iTerm2, possibly for years. Instead of giving back or thanking the person behind it, they chose to flood HN and the issue tracker with insults and lies. They literally pretend as if he's trying to sneak in spyware that steals each and every keystroke. They berate, mock, and question the morality of him and anyone else who dares to push back. I see this kind of bullying behavior in some open source communities and am taken aback every time I see it. The lack of empathy on display here is ironically less than an LLM and that's saying something.
      - sangnoir 2y ago
        It appears your issue is not with the comment at the head of this thread specifically, but generally with other comments elsewhere (on HN and Github); that doesn't make the comment disrespect or untrue by association. AI is a lightning rod issue, while insults are not ok, disagreement is inevitable, disagreeing wirh a decision a maintainer made is orthogonal to dis/respect. Open Source is fickle - you can diligently work on a project for years and have it forked for mundane reasons, such as some people thinking you're not doing things fast enough for their liking, or you included a controversial feature - and they won't have to pay you or even send you a "thank you" note, that does not change the value of the contributions.

by 9dev 2y ago

dewey 2y ago

100% this, it’s honestly a bit embarrassing reading through some of these comments or Gitlab issues (“I would donate if you remove this feature”) as a fellow developer. I expected a bit more of my peers on a developer focused tool.

soraminazuki 2y ago
"Just for the future, I'd like to have a discussion before introducing highly controversial 'features' like this" is another one. Not only does it come off as entitled and condescending, it also shows they haven't bothered to even look at the existing development process. iTerm2 already has test releases with detailed release notes. https://iterm2.com/downloads.html https://iterm2.com/downloads.html And oh, they're now demanding an apology ... for a gift they willingly grabbed without a single thank you.

sangnoir 2y ago

What is disrespectful about gp's comment? It's okay to disagree with decisions made by even the most dedicated maintainers; I've switched to software (forks, or similar projects) many times on principle - I respect JetBrains, but disagreed with an awful decision they made that was a stain and made me question their judgement and avoid their otherwise excellent IDEs whenever possible. I haven't bought any personal licenses from them since - is that disrespectful in your books? I hope iTerm moves this functionality into a plugin with the next version.

9dev 2y ago
Read their remark again. Tell me in earnest if that is something you would like to hear about yourself, being told to your wife or boss. We’re not talking about a faceless company like JetBrains here, but a single human being, for chrissakes.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  It's not disrespectful.
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    I for one am horrified at the sheer amount of ill will and sense of entitlement directed towards a developer who has been working tirelessly on high quality free and open source software out of his spare time. It's a thankless job he has continued for more than a decade. These people have benefitted from iTerm2, possibly for years. Instead of giving back or thanking the person behind it, they chose to flood HN and the issue tracker with insults and lies. They literally pretend as if he's trying to sneak in spyware that steals each and every keystroke. They berate, mock, and question the morality of him and anyone else who dares to push back. I see this kind of bullying behavior in some open source communities and am taken aback every time I see it. The lack of empathy on display here is ironically less than an LLM and that's saying something.
    - sangnoir 2y ago
      It appears your issue is not with the comment at the head of this thread specifically, but generally with other comments elsewhere (on HN and Github); that doesn't make the comment disrespect or untrue by association. AI is a lightning rod issue, while insults are not ok, disagreement is inevitable, disagreeing wirh a decision a maintainer made is orthogonal to dis/respect. Open Source is fickle - you can diligently work on a project for years and have it forked for mundane reasons, such as some people thinking you're not doing things fast enough for their liking, or you included a controversial feature - and they won't have to pay you or even send you a "thank you" note, that does not change the value of the contributions.