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There’s a perspective I haven’t seen yet that may explain the backlash: I would never integrate OpenAI into a terminal program I was building because of halluci

There’s a perspective I haven’t seen yet that may explain the backlash: I would never integrate OpenAI into a terminal program I was building because of hallucinations, a lack of trust in OpenAI, and other reasons. I’m not an anti-AI Luddite either, hopped on the AI train in 2015. So, when someone else integrates OpenAI where I don’t think it belongs, I feel like I can’t trust their judgment, and therefore can’t trust them to make good product management decisions in the future. Adding questionable features is a red flag indicating the product team isn’t focused or has poor judgment. Put another way, you don’t put the person that says Taco Bell is quality Mexican food in charge of arranging catering for the company Christmas party. I can’t trust them to not screw it up.

__loam 2y ago
Right, the point is not that the feature is opt in, the point is that you can no longer trust the maintainers to make good decisions.
octernion 2y ago
i think 99% of folks would take an occasional hallucinated ffmpeg option in exchange for never having to look up the man page again. i trust the iterm dev's judgement even more after this since it's an ideal use case. gpt-4o seems fantastic at generating cli flags and such, not sure what troubles you have run into. i am questioning your judgement of their judgement, hah.
- Xelynega 2y ago
  The question isn't "is it useful", it's "should it be part of the core of the application". If this meets the bar for "worth inclusion in the core of the application", I would rather stick to terminal emulators that are spending their time on making the terminal emulator more responsive rather than adding gimmicks that have to be maintained.
tzs 2y ago
Aren't plenty of people already using OpenAI for help with command lines without there being any integration? They copy/paste between the LLM's web interface and their terminal. All this integration is doing is making it more convenient for those people by removing the need for them to manually relay between the terminal and the LLM.
joshstrange 2y ago
You don’t have to, you can change the API url to whatever you want, like pointing it at your local ollama or LMStudio. Which anyone who didn’t just read this misinformed blog post would know (it was all over the comments on this release yesterday and also in the iTerm2 wiki about this feature).

__loam 2y ago

Right, the point is not that the feature is opt in, the point is that you can no longer trust the maintainers to make good decisions.

octernion 2y ago

i think 99% of folks would take an occasional hallucinated ffmpeg option in exchange for never having to look up the man page again. i trust the iterm dev's judgement even more after this since it's an ideal use case. gpt-4o seems fantastic at generating cli flags and such, not sure what troubles you have run into. i am questioning your judgement of their judgement, hah.

Xelynega 2y ago
The question isn't "is it useful", it's "should it be part of the core of the application". If this meets the bar for "worth inclusion in the core of the application", I would rather stick to terminal emulators that are spending their time on making the terminal emulator more responsive rather than adding gimmicks that have to be maintained.

tzs 2y ago

Aren't plenty of people already using OpenAI for help with command lines without there being any integration? They copy/paste between the LLM's web interface and their terminal. All this integration is doing is making it more convenient for those people by removing the need for them to manually relay between the terminal and the LLM.

joshstrange 2y ago

You don’t have to, you can change the API url to whatever you want, like pointing it at your local ollama or LMStudio. Which anyone who didn’t just read this misinformed blog post would know (it was all over the comments on this release yesterday and also in the iTerm2 wiki about this feature).