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UN suspends Rafah aid distribution and warns US pier may fail

15 points by NomDePlum 2y ago

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> Israel must provide conditions for pier to operate safely, UN warns, as aid deliveries reduced to trickle Why is everything Israel’s responsibility? They’re fighting a war of self defense against terrorists who use the citizenry as human shields. Given those circumstances, I feel like they’ve done far more to avoid casualties and help the civilians than any other government/military would. The UN needs to stop undermining Israel and supporting Hamas implicitly via such lazy statements and actions. What’s the UN’s responsibility in providing those conditions? What are the complaining countries doing to bring aid to Gazans or a viable ceasefire deal with release of all hostages? Many UN members like Egypt, Jordan, South Africa are all doing nothing to help but instead just complaining about Israel. Do they even care about the Gazan residents or is this just a political opportunity for them? > The main agency for Palestinian refugees, Unrwa, announced the suspension of distribution in Rafah in a post on X, without elaborating beyond citing the lack of supplies. The article seems very vague - what specifically would cause the pier to fail? If distribution is a problem then isn’t it an existing problem that UNRWA has allegedly been handling this whole time? It’s hard to trust UNRWA and their claimed reasons. Some of their staff allegedly has ties to Hamas (which US intelligence confirmed), their buildings (like schools) have housed Hamas fighters, and aid funneled through them has ended up in Hamas’s hands.
- salawat 2y ago
  >Why is everything Israel’s responsibility? Israel is perpetuating the status quo, and wishes to exercise sovereignty pver the territory. Doing things like disallowing other countries relief orgs to operate on the own. Given that, the UN is more than justified puting the onus on Israel. >They’re fighting a war of self defense against terrorists who use the citizenry as human shields. Given those circumstances, I feel like they’ve done far more to avoid casualties and help the civilians than any other government/military would. Fair enough. That is not a universally held view. >What’s the UN’s responsibility in providing those conditions? What are the complaining countries doing to bring aid to Gazans or a viable ceasefire deal with release of all hostages? Are you suggesting that the U.N. should unilaterally dismiss the sovereignty of a member state, and coordinate things themselves using the resources of other member states? As much as the prospect of an international intervention to the level of being the grandest and most expensive breaking up of a schoolyard brawl that would upset everyone involved in living memory; I'm fairly sure no one really wants to uncork that bottle of Pandora's distilled champagne. >Many UN members like Egypt, Jordan, South Africa are all doing nothing to help but instead just complaining about Israel. This is not a surprise. Israel is not very popular. >Do they even care about the Gazan residents or is this just a political opportunity for them? Sovereign. States. They can provide support, but they have to rely on the State undergoing internal strife to distribute things. Their experience dealing with Israel likely dissuades them from even making the effort. >The article seems very vague - what specifically would cause the pier to fail? If distribution is a problem then isn’t it an existing problem that UNRWA has allegedly been handling this whole time? It’s hard to trust UNRWA and their claimed reasons. Some of their staff allegedly has ties to Hamas (which US intelligence confirmed), their buildings (like schools) have housed Hamas fighters, and aid funneled through them has ended up in Hamas’s hands. Couldn't have anything to do with intentional bureaucratic delays, wholesale dismantling of normal infrastructure by the Israelis in their attempt to fight back against Hamas (an org Bibi is interested in keeping in power to keep himself in power). Logistics is hard. Even when you aren't pointedly not trying to hard.
- racional 2y ago
  Why is everything Israel’s responsibility? Perhaps not "everything". But when one chooses to go around invading other countries (for whatever reason), one accepts legal responsibility to ensure reasonably safe access to humanitarian aid in the affected areas. In addition to agreeing to other fussy requirements, like ensuring reasonable access to hygiene and public health services, avoiding unnecessary destruction of property and public infrastructure, and so on. It seems Israel "forgot" this responsibility, or is pretending to have forgotten it, in the course of Operation Iron Swords. Either way, this is why it is now facing legal action, and will have to go sit in a corner for while until it learns to clarify its values, and to at least try to act within the norms of civilized behavior in regard to such matters. It's really quite straightforward, actually. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention

15 points by NomDePlum 2y ago

> Israel must provide conditions for pier to operate safely, UN warns, as aid deliveries reduced to trickle Why is everything Israel’s responsibility? They’re fighting a war of self defense against terrorists who use the citizenry as human shields. Given those circumstances, I feel like they’ve done far more to avoid casualties and help the civilians than any other government/military would. The UN needs to stop undermining Israel and supporting Hamas implicitly via such lazy statements and actions. What’s the UN’s responsibility in providing those conditions? What are the complaining countries doing to bring aid to Gazans or a viable ceasefire deal with release of all hostages? Many UN members like Egypt, Jordan, South Africa are all doing nothing to help but instead just complaining about Israel. Do they even care about the Gazan residents or is this just a political opportunity for them? > The main agency for Palestinian refugees, Unrwa, announced the suspension of distribution in Rafah in a post on X, without elaborating beyond citing the lack of supplies. The article seems very vague - what specifically would cause the pier to fail? If distribution is a problem then isn’t it an existing problem that UNRWA has allegedly been handling this whole time? It’s hard to trust UNRWA and their claimed reasons. Some of their staff allegedly has ties to Hamas (which US intelligence confirmed), their buildings (like schools) have housed Hamas fighters, and aid funneled through them has ended up in Hamas’s hands.

salawat 2y ago
>Why is everything Israel’s responsibility? Israel is perpetuating the status quo, and wishes to exercise sovereignty pver the territory. Doing things like disallowing other countries relief orgs to operate on the own. Given that, the UN is more than justified puting the onus on Israel. >They’re fighting a war of self defense against terrorists who use the citizenry as human shields. Given those circumstances, I feel like they’ve done far more to avoid casualties and help the civilians than any other government/military would. Fair enough. That is not a universally held view. >What’s the UN’s responsibility in providing those conditions? What are the complaining countries doing to bring aid to Gazans or a viable ceasefire deal with release of all hostages? Are you suggesting that the U.N. should unilaterally dismiss the sovereignty of a member state, and coordinate things themselves using the resources of other member states? As much as the prospect of an international intervention to the level of being the grandest and most expensive breaking up of a schoolyard brawl that would upset everyone involved in living memory; I'm fairly sure no one really wants to uncork that bottle of Pandora's distilled champagne. >Many UN members like Egypt, Jordan, South Africa are all doing nothing to help but instead just complaining about Israel. This is not a surprise. Israel is not very popular. >Do they even care about the Gazan residents or is this just a political opportunity for them? Sovereign. States. They can provide support, but they have to rely on the State undergoing internal strife to distribute things. Their experience dealing with Israel likely dissuades them from even making the effort. >The article seems very vague - what specifically would cause the pier to fail? If distribution is a problem then isn’t it an existing problem that UNRWA has allegedly been handling this whole time? It’s hard to trust UNRWA and their claimed reasons. Some of their staff allegedly has ties to Hamas (which US intelligence confirmed), their buildings (like schools) have housed Hamas fighters, and aid funneled through them has ended up in Hamas’s hands. Couldn't have anything to do with intentional bureaucratic delays, wholesale dismantling of normal infrastructure by the Israelis in their attempt to fight back against Hamas (an org Bibi is interested in keeping in power to keep himself in power). Logistics is hard. Even when you aren't pointedly not trying to hard.
racional 2y ago
Why is everything Israel’s responsibility? Perhaps not "everything". But when one chooses to go around invading other countries (for whatever reason), one accepts legal responsibility to ensure reasonably safe access to humanitarian aid in the affected areas. In addition to agreeing to other fussy requirements, like ensuring reasonable access to hygiene and public health services, avoiding unnecessary destruction of property and public infrastructure, and so on. It seems Israel "forgot" this responsibility, or is pretending to have forgotten it, in the course of Operation Iron Swords. Either way, this is why it is now facing legal action, and will have to go sit in a corner for while until it learns to clarify its values, and to at least try to act within the norms of civilized behavior in regard to such matters. It's really quite straightforward, actually. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention