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Windows Copilot Runtime
- krazydad 2y ago“AI infused at every layer“ Okay… What does that even mean? And why does the company think we want that? I love me some AI, but right now it’s getting put on everything like Nutella at a hipster eatery.
- grrowl 2y agoit's a "fundamental transformation of the OS itself", you see
- CoastalCoder 2y agoProbably true. The new win64 API will have just one entry point: LPSTR do_thing(LPSTR prompt); E.g.: if (do_thing("get a mutex or whatever it's called") == do_thing("What's the happy return code for getting a mutex?") { ... }
- emestifs 2y agoSomeone someday may actually ship code like this into production. Horrifying to think about. For some reason this reminds me of trying to grow plants with Brawndo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc
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- numpad0 2y agoRealistically, this is an announcement that Windows 12 will have a double click gguf runner and requisite backend as a feature.
- abcdefg12 2y agoOnnx, which seems to be awq
- icepat 2y agoMost likely more effective data harvesting. Individual user level AI isn't the end goal I don't think. It's just a nice byproduct. This just means they can embed more data collection, and use your device to crunch the numbers for them.
- kebokyo 2y agoThis is the big thing I’m worried about with the AI revolution. If AI is being baked into your OS, where does usable training data end and your sensitive data start? Recall is pinkie promising that it won’t record sensitive data but at the same time it’s also saying “if your application doesn’t protect it well we mayyy see it and record it, whoops”. I can bet you 120% Recall is just a way for Microsoft to collect training data on millions of users every day. It is a privacy nightmare. But I don’t think the average consumer will care. Privacy died a long time ago.
- lolinder 2y agoThe problem is that "AI" isn't a feature. It's not a product. It's a pretty broad category of technologies that can be used to build features and products. "AI infused at every layer" is like saying "we build our software with the best Agile(tm) practices". The customer doesn't care how you built the software, the customer cares what your software will do for them, and all "AI" means is "we probably have a deep learning inference engine somewhere under the hood, but no promises".
- lIIllIIllIIllII 2y agoThat's like saying audio playback isn't a feature or a product.
- lolinder 2y agoNo, it's more like saying "media" isn't a feature or a product. It's not. It's a very vague word that could mean any number of loosely related things that do form part of many different features and products.
- foobar1962 2y agoor, like saying "media ready"
- deanCommie 2y agoAnd that was totally a thing in the early 2000's Companies were selling "Media PC's", and Windows ME stood for Millennium Edition or Media Edition depending on who you asked. And people think the word "content" is overused now...
- nikanj 2y agoWe don’t want that. Investors want that.
- Quiark 2y agoI think it means many of us will not use Windows ever again.
- rstat1 2y agoI was already there when Windows 11 came along and blocked my perfectly functional 4 or 5 yr old HW from running it (even though the pre-releases ran just fine). This "AI" bullshit is just another nail in the already nailed shut coffin.
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- jiggawatts 2y agoIn practice it just means that the processor includes a matrix multiply unit somewhere. For example, some of the latest Intel Xeon CPUs have 8x 1KB registers that can perform only one operation: matrix multiply (and accumulate results). See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Matrix_Extensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Matrix_Extensions Generally this is very similar to the Vista-era Microsoft requirements for PC manufacturers, where it was a logo requirement to include a GPU that could be used to accelerate composition in the desktop window manager, such as transparency effects and blur. (Prior to that, low-end PCs had "graphics cards" that were fixed pipeline and not programmable /general purpose.) Now Microsoft is forcing PC manufacturers to do the same kind of thing, but instead of a GPU it's now an "NPU" that they have to include. This can be a CPU instruction set, a co-processor, or a GPU baseline capability. The requirement is 40 teraoperations per second. IMHO, 40 TOPS is way too low, and doesn't focus enough on memory bandwidth. Also, that 40 is total across CPU+GPU+NPU, which means in practice it'll require fiddly optimisation to get anywhere near that level of performance. Windows Vista had the same issue, where many low-end laptops especially would struggle and spin up their GPU fans just from desktop workloads, let alone gaming...
- samspenc 2y ago"40 TOPS is way too low", I'm curious about this, from what I've read, Apple's M3 maxes out at 18 TOPS, and the newer M4 at 38 TOPS, so to me it sounds like even the entry-level Copilot+ PC is going to beat Apple's M3/M4 family. Am I misunderstanding.
- wmf 2y agoIt's possible that Microsoft's target is too low and Apple's performance is also too low. However when you find yourself saying that the entire industry is wrong you might want to stop and think.
- jiggawatts 2y agoAn NVIDIA 4070 puts out 836 "AI TOPS" using 200 watts of power. So the 40 TOPS target is about 10 watts of power draw equivalent, assuming it uses a similar silicon logic tech to what NVIDIA used. With a more modern process, this is about 5 watts. For an ultra-mobile tablet or laptop, this is... reasonable, I suppose. For a desktop, it's quite a bit behind the current-gen tech, let alone "the future". Like I was saying, this is aiming for where the puck was, not where the puck will be. It's the same thing as Vista GPU requirements. Vendors will do the bare minimum that ticks the checkbox, but in practice it'll be useless garbage. Modern AIs require > 1 TB/s memory bandwidth, > 128 GB memory capacity, and > 1,000 TOPS of compute to be really usable locally, not just technically capable of "running".
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- teejmya 2y ago51 mentions of “AI” in less than 5000 words. If anything, it’s infused in every layer of this press release.
- fallingsquirrel 2y agobullshit.js really lights up the page. https://mourner.github.io/bullshit.js/ https://mourner.github.io/bullshit.js/
- caseyy 2y ago> This is a bullshit leap in performance, made possible by a bullshit leap in bullshit. > We look forward to continuing to bullshit with you, our developer and Bullshit community, to bring bullshit to our bullshit and tools, and bullshitting each of you to create future Bullshit bullshits that will bullshit every person on the planet Is this a South Park episode script?
- emestifs 2y agoNo, this is reality sadly.
- deelowe 2y agoThis comment reminds me of the cloud to butt plugin that came out when everyone was making fun of "the cloud." Now you can't get a job in it without gcp, aws, or azure experience.
- bigstrat2003 2y agoI still run cloud to butt, because it's still a stupid buzzword and the extension makes things funnier. Case in point: your comment reads to me as "my butt to butt plugin", which is hilarious.
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- 015a 2y ago12 cores, possibly all of them P-cores (they've said that SXE comes in bins up to 12 p-cores), and some early benchmarks are putting SXE cores as ~15% slower than M3? That indicates this is a $900 machine comparable to the entry-tier $2000 Mac Studio (12c/32gb), which is still on M2 and only has 8 p-cores. Its TDP is also pretty comparable to the M2 Max, at 80 watts. This is quite an incredible achievement from Qualcomm. I'm very excited to get one of these and install Linux on it. And, stoked to see if future iterations of the Steam Deck eventually make the jump to ARM.
- jeppester 2y ago> I'm very excited to get one of these and install Linux on it. If there ever was a time for Linux to really compete with Windows, that time would be now when Windows will break software compatibility to a large degree. That really was Windows' big killer feature.
- pathartl 2y agoWhat compatibility is going to be broken?
- jeppester 2y agoI'm aware that there is a compatibility layer in place that will runs most apps, and that some of the most common production apps will have native builds. But from what I can read, the compatibility layer is not perfect, and for instance games cannot be expected to just run or run well enough to be playable. If you are at the point where Windows apps cannot be expected to just work, then why not use wine (and proton for games) instead, on an ad-free system?
- everforward 2y ago> If you are at the point where Windows apps cannot be expected to just work, then why not use wine (and proton for games) instead, on an ad-free system? Because they don't have to learn a new OS. I love Linux but inertia is a powerful force. I don't think swapping one compatibility layer for another is enough to entice the average person. The ads, maybe, but I don't think most people care that much. Linux is a hard sell to people that don't want to care about compatibility layers, don't mind advertising that much, and grew up on Windows.
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- yazzku 2y ago> New Source code integration in File Explorer allows tracking commit messages and file status directly in File Explorer. And yet they make Home instead of My PC the default when opening Explorer, which then causes reads over the network if you happen to have network shares mapped and the whole thing to take several seconds to load. Microsoft has rather schizophrenic decision-making and zero will to fix things, they just keep building on top of the existing pile of garbage.
- tavavex 2y agoWeren't you always able to change the default Explorer folder? I just checked it on Windows 11, and here it's in Options (in the top bar, where the "New" button and file manipulation stuff is) -> Open File Explorer to -> This PC. But I'm almost certain this has been a thing since like, Windows 7?
- yazzku 2y agoYes, you can change it, but the default is stupid. > But I'm almost certain this has been a thing since like, Windows 7 Well, that only underscores my point on the zero will to fix things.
- ctoth 2y agoI vaguely remember fixing this in gpedit.msc but apparently it's even easier to fix now: If you’d rather have File Explorer open to This PC, on the ribbon, select See more > Options > Open File Explorer to:. Then select This PC > Apply.
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- martyvis 2y ago"uses 20% ocean-bound-plastic" Yep someone is literally standing next to a river with a net catching chip bag wrappers and drink bottles and sending them back to the computer factory.
- luismedel 2y ago20% ocean-bounded-plastic with 100% mussel smell. Double win.
- rldjbpin 2y agoig it is better branding than "20% recycled plastic"
- bastawhiz 2y agoEvery year the new models will one-up the previous generation, using more and more ocean-bound plastic until someone gets paid to stand just upstream from the first guy throwing bottles and wrappers into the river to satisfy demand.
- para_parolu 2y agoRemind me a story when French government in Vietnam started to pay bounty for rats tails
- intended 2y agoThat… that would be pretty cool.
- computer7050 2y agoThis is basically what the ocean cleanup project pivoted to.
- caseyy 2y agoWhat does that even mean though? Does it mean: - 20% of the plastic in the entire device was recycled? - 20% of the plastic in the box (as the context implies) was recycled? - 20% of the recycled plastic was ocean-bound and the device is all or mostly recycled plastic? - Is it some sort of 20% plastic-grade and the plastic was all ocean-bound? - Did they capture ocean-bound plastic somewhere, used 20% for these boxes, and released the other 80% back into the ocean? - Did they mean specifically "Ocean Bound Plastic" as a specific term (OBP) and not "ocean-bound-plastic" as a generic term? In that case, this website explains [0] that it would be 80% of all plastic that would end up in the ocean and that certifiable OBP is not commercially recyclable [1]. So... it's not OBP by definition then as OBP excludes all plastic that can be recycled commercially and this was? - ??? When I clicked the 'Learn more' link next to it, the figure wasn't in the source page. There doesn't seem to be any source page for this, although a lot of news outlets are quoting it (in different interpretations). It seems like they were trying to greenwash something, though that article is wishy washy anyways. [0] https://www.obpcert.org/what-is-ocean-bound-plastic-obp/ https://www.obpcert.org/what-is-ocean-bound-plastic-obp/ [1] https://www.obpcert.org/what-are-obp-credits/ https://www.obpcert.org/what-are-obp-credits/
- armchairhacker 2y agoI'll wait until I see people test this to make any judgements, good or bad. I'm certainly interested to see what it looks like.