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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press The last time this subject came up, when Israel forcefull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press The last time this subject came up, when Israel forcefully removed Aj Jazeera[1], there were many HN comments openly supporting such hostility and censorship. I just ask that before people openly advocate for positions of ignorance, even when well intended, they take a brief moment to consider what liberty[2][3] is first and why it might be important. [1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-aljazeera-hamas-gaza-war-eba9416aea82f505ab908ee60d1de5e4 https://apnews.com/article/israel-aljazeera-hamas-gaza-war-e... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty [3] https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/mill/liberty.pdf https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/mill/liber...

sgregnt 2y ago
You linked some trivial materials, is there anything in there that pertains to the specific claims that Al-jazeera cooperates with terrorist and passed the information from Israel, or that some aljazeera journalists sre actually Hamas memebers?
- NomDePlum 2y ago
  Is there any evidence to substantiate the claims?
  - candiodari 2y ago
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    - enilakla 2y ago
      They don't promote the killing of Jews (Associated Press, Al Jazeera, etc.), not sure where you're getting that. Last link notes that the four news organizations have denied these claims. Edit: After reviewing the post below and others that have been made I see truth became irrelevant long ago.
      - candiodari 2y ago
        The point is that a Gazan AP Journalist (featured on CNN) PARTICIPATED in the killing of Jews. (PLUS a bunch of Gazan journalists went with the terrorists into Israel, and observed, filmed and documented the killing of civilians, triumphantly posting the videos they made of the event. They did not help anyone)
    - NomDePlum 2y ago
      This is just straightforward propoganda. None of it is remotely based on anything that could be considered factual. I've flagged this and hopefully the admins deal with it appropriately.
- KenArrari 2y ago
  There's no reason to waste time addressing those claims because now that they're also going after western journalists, even Israel isn't bothering with those pretexts anymore. It's very clearly an attempt to control the information that comes out and limit it to their own narrative only, same as any other dictatorship taking control of the media.
  - Papirola 2y ago
    "There's no reason to waste time addressing those claims..." that's convenient.
    - KenArrari 2y ago
      Well yes, besides the fact that there's absolutely zero proof for it they're also not bothering with that basis anymore. If a news agency is anything other than a stenographer for their propaganda, they must be banned. Same thing any other fascist government does.
bobthegreat 2y ago
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ac130kz 2y ago
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- austin-cheney 2y ago
  Liberty isn’t about protecting that which you alone or any popular mass agrees with, for if it were it would not be needed. Liberty protects that which is in need of protection, such that its greatest enemy is a hostile majority or any unequal power dynamic therein.
  - ffsm8 2y ago
    Your comment kinda reminds me of a Stargate SG1 episode, in which some brave soldiers come to earth to seek out help against the evil invaders. Later on it gets revealed that the brave soldiers are currently doing an ethnic cleansing / mass murder. Not everyone should be protected, and some actions are evil, even if they're done by journalists. Doing a live report to spread the message of mass murderers is one example of such behaviour.
    - austin-cheney 2y ago
      I would argue it’s far less evil for mass murder atrocities to be well documented as compared to the contrary and be silent or unknown to the outside world.
- zaphirplane 2y ago
  Respected Citation needed, tweets do not count
  - ac130kz 2y ago
    Go look at their official publications and live streams, it couldn't be easier than that.
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sgregnt 2y ago

You linked some trivial materials, is there anything in there that pertains to the specific claims that Al-jazeera cooperates with terrorist and passed the information from Israel, or that some aljazeera journalists sre actually Hamas memebers?

NomDePlum 2y ago
Is there any evidence to substantiate the claims?
- candiodari 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - enilakla 2y ago
    They don't promote the killing of Jews (Associated Press, Al Jazeera, etc.), not sure where you're getting that. Last link notes that the four news organizations have denied these claims. Edit: After reviewing the post below and others that have been made I see truth became irrelevant long ago.
    - candiodari 2y ago
      The point is that a Gazan AP Journalist (featured on CNN) PARTICIPATED in the killing of Jews. (PLUS a bunch of Gazan journalists went with the terrorists into Israel, and observed, filmed and documented the killing of civilians, triumphantly posting the videos they made of the event. They did not help anyone)
  - NomDePlum 2y ago
    This is just straightforward propoganda. None of it is remotely based on anything that could be considered factual. I've flagged this and hopefully the admins deal with it appropriately.
KenArrari 2y ago
There's no reason to waste time addressing those claims because now that they're also going after western journalists, even Israel isn't bothering with those pretexts anymore. It's very clearly an attempt to control the information that comes out and limit it to their own narrative only, same as any other dictatorship taking control of the media.
- Papirola 2y ago
  "There's no reason to waste time addressing those claims..." that's convenient.
  - KenArrari 2y ago
    Well yes, besides the fact that there's absolutely zero proof for it they're also not bothering with that basis anymore. If a news agency is anything other than a stenographer for their propaganda, they must be banned. Same thing any other fascist government does.

bobthegreat 2y ago

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ac130kz 2y ago

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austin-cheney 2y ago
Liberty isn’t about protecting that which you alone or any popular mass agrees with, for if it were it would not be needed. Liberty protects that which is in need of protection, such that its greatest enemy is a hostile majority or any unequal power dynamic therein.
- ffsm8 2y ago
  Your comment kinda reminds me of a Stargate SG1 episode, in which some brave soldiers come to earth to seek out help against the evil invaders. Later on it gets revealed that the brave soldiers are currently doing an ethnic cleansing / mass murder. Not everyone should be protected, and some actions are evil, even if they're done by journalists. Doing a live report to spread the message of mass murderers is one example of such behaviour.
  - austin-cheney 2y ago
    I would argue it’s far less evil for mass murder atrocities to be well documented as compared to the contrary and be silent or unknown to the outside world.
zaphirplane 2y ago
Respected Citation needed, tweets do not count
- ac130kz 2y ago
  Go look at their official publications and live streams, it couldn't be easier than that.

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