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Most people in Guantanamo were imprisoned on false pretenses. They and their descendants deserve reparations for what was done to them.

fwip 2y ago
Honestly, even the people who were actually plotting real terrorist attacks don't deserve what was inflicted upon them there. There's no reliable evidence that torture works[0]. The only other motivation for torturing them is revenge, and, well, many terrorists are motivated by desire to get revenge for the very real things that America has done to their loved ones or their communities. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0077 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0077
- Cyph0n 2y ago
  Agreed. The law either applies to everyone, or to no one. There is no in-between. I watched a show and read a few books that dived a bit into how the FBI’s counterterrorism unit ran their interrogations. Sounded like their techniques led to more useable intel.
- fwip 2y ago
  An article on the torture of Abu Zubaydah, containing graphic and disturbing sketches that he made of the torture he endured: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/may/11/abu-zubaydah-drawings-guantanamo-bay-us-torture-policy https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/may/11/abu-zubaydah-dra... Based on a coerced confession (later recanted), US agents captured Zubaydah in Pakistan in 2002. Despite initially describing him as "a near-ideal candidate for a tribunal trial," they instead held him in secret CIA prisons and tortured him with methods that were in clear violation of international law. (Later, Congress authorized these "enhanced interrogation techniques.") Zubaydah provided three "key pieces" of evidence to CIA interrogators, which was used as justification for the torture they inflicted upon him. It was later revealed that all three pieces were given prior to the torture being inflicted. While the worst of his torture occurred prior to his transfer to Guantanamo Bay, he remains there in captivity - with no trial, transfer, or case review planned. He is 53 years old, and has spent the last 22 years of his life like this.

fwip 2y ago

Honestly, even the people who were actually plotting real terrorist attacks don't deserve what was inflicted upon them there. There's no reliable evidence that torture works[0]. The only other motivation for torturing them is revenge, and, well, many terrorists are motivated by desire to get revenge for the very real things that America has done to their loved ones or their communities. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0077 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0077

Cyph0n 2y ago
Agreed. The law either applies to everyone, or to no one. There is no in-between. I watched a show and read a few books that dived a bit into how the FBI’s counterterrorism unit ran their interrogations. Sounded like their techniques led to more useable intel.
fwip 2y ago
An article on the torture of Abu Zubaydah, containing graphic and disturbing sketches that he made of the torture he endured: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/may/11/abu-zubaydah-drawings-guantanamo-bay-us-torture-policy https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/may/11/abu-zubaydah-dra... Based on a coerced confession (later recanted), US agents captured Zubaydah in Pakistan in 2002. Despite initially describing him as "a near-ideal candidate for a tribunal trial," they instead held him in secret CIA prisons and tortured him with methods that were in clear violation of international law. (Later, Congress authorized these "enhanced interrogation techniques.") Zubaydah provided three "key pieces" of evidence to CIA interrogators, which was used as justification for the torture they inflicted upon him. It was later revealed that all three pieces were given prior to the torture being inflicted. While the worst of his torture occurred prior to his transfer to Guantanamo Bay, he remains there in captivity - with no trial, transfer, or case review planned. He is 53 years old, and has spent the last 22 years of his life like this.