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You are advocating for extrajudicial killing, which is a war crime, and you are advocating for targeting civilian groups based on the believes that they are des

You are advocating for extrajudicial killing, which is a war crime, and you are advocating for targeting civilian groups based on the believes that they are destined to do crime in the future? This is an extremely racist opinion. And I would go so far as call it genocidal speech. This post needs to be removed from HN.

tptacek 2y ago
The killing of combatants and combatant support personnel without judicial authorization is not in fact a war crime. The term you're looking for here is hors de combat, which was coined specifically to separate out the people who can't be extrajudicially killed during a war. I don't understand the preceding comment well enough to defend it or to see the racism in it; there is context I am probably missing.
- runarberg 2y ago
  > From the river to the sea what is the only flag you see? In it’s most favorable interpretation is a call to keep Palestinians subjugated and stripped of political and civil rights. This speech has been used to promote a Jewish ethnostate, which is in fact racist, and in the worst cases this speech is used to advocate for the expulsion of Palestinians from their land. At best this is an advocacy for a racist policy, at worst this is genocidal speech. > Well, the IDF is executing lots of war criminals, even future ones in Gaza ;) I can’t take this any other way then the author is stating that killing of innocent civilians in Gaza is justified because otherwise they were destined to become war criminals. This kind of speech was very common among people justifying police brutality and neighborhood crackdown against black people in the USA. It is extremely racist as it stipulates that Palestinians, by merit of being Palestinians, are inherently bad people and deserve to die.
  - _3u10 2y ago
    There is no jewish ethnostate, Israel is a modern day democracy with Arabs / Muslims elected to the Knesset. The real question is if everyone loves the peace loving Gazans so much, why has Egypt built a wall to keep the peaceful refugees out? Perhaps maybe they don't want the Gazans to start a civil war in their country like in Jordan, Lebanon, etc. Realpolitik.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      The "kisnet"?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Oh, I didn't see "future" war criminals. Yeah, not good.
- racional 2y ago
  There is context I am probably missing. It was the precious reference (backed by a smiley no less) to how the good the current operation is at killing "future" war criminals -- obviously referring to minors. Who are also just as obviously being collectively subject to air strikes for the crime of being you-know-what. It was a truly disgusting comment, actually. Unfortunately "frank" and deeply revelatory expressions of this sort are by no means unusual in the sphere of public discourse that supports the current operation in Gaza. From the highest levels down.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Yep. Acknowledged.
  - _3u10 2y ago
    [flagged]
- _3u10 2y ago
  Even with judicial authorization, it can still be a war crime.
_3u10 2y ago
The reality of life is my dads apartment was bombed by the US when he was growing up. War sucks. It’s not racist but you can’t let Hamas run things, that’s just the way it is. Sometimes it sucks when your apartment is in the same town as a ball bearing factory. The Air Force didn’t give anyone a weeks heads up either, what the IDF is doing is so far from a war crime it’s not even funny.

tptacek 2y ago

The killing of combatants and combatant support personnel without judicial authorization is not in fact a war crime. The term you're looking for here is hors de combat, which was coined specifically to separate out the people who can't be extrajudicially killed during a war. I don't understand the preceding comment well enough to defend it or to see the racism in it; there is context I am probably missing.

runarberg 2y ago
> From the river to the sea what is the only flag you see? In it’s most favorable interpretation is a call to keep Palestinians subjugated and stripped of political and civil rights. This speech has been used to promote a Jewish ethnostate, which is in fact racist, and in the worst cases this speech is used to advocate for the expulsion of Palestinians from their land. At best this is an advocacy for a racist policy, at worst this is genocidal speech. > Well, the IDF is executing lots of war criminals, even future ones in Gaza ;) I can’t take this any other way then the author is stating that killing of innocent civilians in Gaza is justified because otherwise they were destined to become war criminals. This kind of speech was very common among people justifying police brutality and neighborhood crackdown against black people in the USA. It is extremely racist as it stipulates that Palestinians, by merit of being Palestinians, are inherently bad people and deserve to die.
- _3u10 2y ago
  There is no jewish ethnostate, Israel is a modern day democracy with Arabs / Muslims elected to the Knesset. The real question is if everyone loves the peace loving Gazans so much, why has Egypt built a wall to keep the peaceful refugees out? Perhaps maybe they don't want the Gazans to start a civil war in their country like in Jordan, Lebanon, etc. Realpolitik.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    The "kisnet"?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- tptacek 2y ago
  Oh, I didn't see "future" war criminals. Yeah, not good.
racional 2y ago
There is context I am probably missing. It was the precious reference (backed by a smiley no less) to how the good the current operation is at killing "future" war criminals -- obviously referring to minors. Who are also just as obviously being collectively subject to air strikes for the crime of being you-know-what. It was a truly disgusting comment, actually. Unfortunately "frank" and deeply revelatory expressions of this sort are by no means unusual in the sphere of public discourse that supports the current operation in Gaza. From the highest levels down.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Yep. Acknowledged.
- _3u10 2y ago
  [flagged]
_3u10 2y ago
Even with judicial authorization, it can still be a war crime.

_3u10 2y ago

The reality of life is my dads apartment was bombed by the US when he was growing up. War sucks. It’s not racist but you can’t let Hamas run things, that’s just the way it is. Sometimes it sucks when your apartment is in the same town as a ball bearing factory. The Air Force didn’t give anyone a weeks heads up either, what the IDF is doing is so far from a war crime it’s not even funny.