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> I remember people exclaiming 'musk is right, Twitter doesn't need 1000s of developers' only for Twitter to start failing a lot of regulatory and abuse vector

> I remember people exclaiming 'musk is right, Twitter doesn't need 1000s of developers' only for Twitter to start failing a lot of regulatory and abuse vector edge cases shortly after their layoffs. It's no good judging business needs based on a basic garage implementation of Twitter. The real world and a few billion users makes for an entirely different set of problems. It's strange this is the lesson you took from Twitter. Twitter fired 90% of their developers, and almost nothing changed. Twitter is a site that exists in the real world, at scale. People don't even talk about the fact that Twitter fired 90% of their devs anymore, they just began firing devs themselves.

MrDarcy 2y ago
Elon Musk fired Twitter employees. Have you not noticed how the site has deteriorated technically? I personally know people who have suffered abuse on Twitter, reported the abuse, and had no action taken because Elon fired the trust and safety org.
- 4hg4ufxhy 2y ago
  Do you also know personally people who reported it and had action taken prior?
  - MrDarcy 2y ago
    Yes
- thfuran 2y ago
  Even if it did, that's not really evidence that it'd take nearly as many people to run a Twitter clone at Twitter scale. It may well, but suddenly losing 90% of personnel is some serious bus factor woes.
- canoebuilder 2y ago
  If reading something is hurting your feelings, you can stop reading it. Twitter even provides mute, block, and whatnot functionality to prevent specified things from even showing up in your line of sight to begin with. And if the app is really bothering you, you can always set it down and go outside, take a walk, meet somebody new, do something that will put a smile on your face on your deathbed. Lumping in mean comments online, with actual abuse is approaching risible. Words have meanings, we shouldn’t dilute or distort them. By Twitter “not taking action,” sounds like your friend is upset that he or she can no longer co-opt the proprietors of the site into enacting punitive measures on people who draw his or her ire. Maybe some mean things were said or whatever, but at the end of the day it’s just text on a screen isn’t it? And there’s a lot more to life than text on a screen, isn’t there? It’s also weird how you mention the technical functioning of the site, then bring up the “Trust & Safety Org” when the legacy of “Trust & Safety” is a small cabal with extremist views arbitrarily deciding what information to censor and suppress based on their own viewpoints, whims, and influence from government agencies. That has nothing to do with the technical functioning of the site which is a matter of reproducible, specifiable, determinate functions implemented in computer code to produce a useful product. The kind of thing that really turns the mind of an autist on. P.S. Not to be too blasé about your friend, mean words can be an issue, especially an ongoing pattern, but anonymous strangers online seems like less of an issue than irl, and was this really an issue where block or mute wasn’t sufficient? How so?
  - Atotalnoob 2y ago
    “Mean words” are a small part of what trust and safety does. CSAM, beheadings, videos of the worst things imaginable are what trust and safety deal with on a daily basis.
  - petsfed 2y ago
    Man, if you can't see the difference between "so-and-so called me a mean name" and "1000 strangers all knocked on my door just to tell me, in excruciating detail, how they wish my children were raped and murdered", I don't know what to tell you. X's systems for block and mute require the abuse to occur before you have an avenue to respond. Considering that all you need to get an X account is an email account, it's a pretty low bar for brigading. And that's to say nothing about organized campaigns to falsely report an account for abuse. For individuals, I suppose you can make some kind of argument that those tools are sufficient, but if you're the poor social media manager for some township or minor government agency that draws the ire of the internet hate machine, you have to deal with all the abuse that goes with it. You are barred by the constitution from blocking people (and rightly so), and you have no real power to prevent them from creating sock puppet accounts to continue the abuse. PTSD is pretty common amongst (former, since they fired them all) twitter content moderators, because being consistently exposed to that stuff can eventually be pretty traumatizing.

MrDarcy 2y ago

Elon Musk fired Twitter employees. Have you not noticed how the site has deteriorated technically? I personally know people who have suffered abuse on Twitter, reported the abuse, and had no action taken because Elon fired the trust and safety org.

4hg4ufxhy 2y ago
Do you also know personally people who reported it and had action taken prior?
- MrDarcy 2y ago
  Yes
thfuran 2y ago
Even if it did, that's not really evidence that it'd take nearly as many people to run a Twitter clone at Twitter scale. It may well, but suddenly losing 90% of personnel is some serious bus factor woes.
canoebuilder 2y ago
If reading something is hurting your feelings, you can stop reading it. Twitter even provides mute, block, and whatnot functionality to prevent specified things from even showing up in your line of sight to begin with. And if the app is really bothering you, you can always set it down and go outside, take a walk, meet somebody new, do something that will put a smile on your face on your deathbed. Lumping in mean comments online, with actual abuse is approaching risible. Words have meanings, we shouldn’t dilute or distort them. By Twitter “not taking action,” sounds like your friend is upset that he or she can no longer co-opt the proprietors of the site into enacting punitive measures on people who draw his or her ire. Maybe some mean things were said or whatever, but at the end of the day it’s just text on a screen isn’t it? And there’s a lot more to life than text on a screen, isn’t there? It’s also weird how you mention the technical functioning of the site, then bring up the “Trust & Safety Org” when the legacy of “Trust & Safety” is a small cabal with extremist views arbitrarily deciding what information to censor and suppress based on their own viewpoints, whims, and influence from government agencies. That has nothing to do with the technical functioning of the site which is a matter of reproducible, specifiable, determinate functions implemented in computer code to produce a useful product. The kind of thing that really turns the mind of an autist on. P.S. Not to be too blasé about your friend, mean words can be an issue, especially an ongoing pattern, but anonymous strangers online seems like less of an issue than irl, and was this really an issue where block or mute wasn’t sufficient? How so?
- Atotalnoob 2y ago
  “Mean words” are a small part of what trust and safety does. CSAM, beheadings, videos of the worst things imaginable are what trust and safety deal with on a daily basis.
- petsfed 2y ago
  Man, if you can't see the difference between "so-and-so called me a mean name" and "1000 strangers all knocked on my door just to tell me, in excruciating detail, how they wish my children were raped and murdered", I don't know what to tell you. X's systems for block and mute require the abuse to occur before you have an avenue to respond. Considering that all you need to get an X account is an email account, it's a pretty low bar for brigading. And that's to say nothing about organized campaigns to falsely report an account for abuse. For individuals, I suppose you can make some kind of argument that those tools are sufficient, but if you're the poor social media manager for some township or minor government agency that draws the ire of the internet hate machine, you have to deal with all the abuse that goes with it. You are barred by the constitution from blocking people (and rightly so), and you have no real power to prevent them from creating sock puppet accounts to continue the abuse. PTSD is pretty common amongst (former, since they fired them all) twitter content moderators, because being consistently exposed to that stuff can eventually be pretty traumatizing.