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I don't see how any of this is difficult. Ban illegal content, period. Not that that's hard, it already is. And leave the rest alone. Gore/graphic content -> f

by zo1 2y ago

I don't see how any of this is difficult. Ban illegal content, period. Not that that's hard, it already is. And leave the rest alone. Gore/graphic content -> filter with a toggle for those that want to view it. Bullying -> does it cross the line into an actual law being broken, if so, then ban it. Makes sensitive people nervous, uncomfortable and angry -> leave it be, but if you really wanna go far stick a sentiment analysis thingie on it and allow people to selectively filter it below their own threshold. There is so much that can be done simply, without breaching anyone's freedoms and without teetering into Orwellian 1984 conspiracy territory about wide-scale mind control and opinion shifting. The problem comes when people naturally express themselves, it makes <insert group here> uncomfortable and it inconveniently bubbles up the rankings. E.g. I bet you right now that 20% of the entire american internet population simply doesn't like Biden and would mock him for his, probably innocent, old-age antics. But if that opinion were to "manifest" into some sort of catchy "Biden is old and sucks" hashtag or meme that needs reporting, well that's uncomfortable for TPTB, or the elites, or the media or whatever you wanna call it, and must be stopped. The internet is the ultimate direct-democracy tool we have right now, and it's being manipulated precisely because it breaks "representative" democracy. Another uncomfortable topic: trans people in sports. It will absolutely blow up in one direction if people were organically allowed to organize and find others with similar viewpoints. Instead, they're banned, scared into shutting up, shadow-banned, or worse cancelled and doxxed.

dangus 2y ago
Why under your specifications am I not free to start a social media network of my own that has its own rules? Why can’t I start my own social media website about cars where any topics that aren’t related to car culture and discussion are not allowed? Your line is illegality, but my line as the owner of the social media network might be something else. Is private ownership banned now?
- zo1 2y ago
  I'm all for private ownership as I'm an Libertarian/AnCap. But long story short, we have a flawed world right now, and to make it better right now, we have to work within it and that means making a completely arbitrary line. One that optimizes freedom whilst balancing the abuse, because it's clear to everyone not drinking the koolaid that social media is being used to affect public opinion. We've crossed the boundary of pure private ownership of anything many years ago. Heck, I don't even have private ownership of my own body, so a say in a highly influential component of our society is a small price to pay to keep the evil at bay.
fiiibilk 2y ago
> Another uncomfortable topic: trans people in sports. It will absolutely blow up in one direction if people were organically allowed to organize and find others with similar viewpoints. Instead, they're banned, scared into shutting up, shadow-banned, or worse cancelled and doxxed. There is a huge amount of discussion of the problem of males in female sports on Twitter, plus also on smaller forums like Mumsnet and Ovarit. Some of it amongst leading athletes and sports science researchers. People of similar viewpoints are organising, despite the attempts to shut them down on other forums. It's working too: various sports bodies have made changes within the past couple of years that walk back their previous broken policies of male inclusion. It does seem that the needle is slowly but surely moving back towards fairness for female athletes. Though there is still a lot of work to be done.
- Unbefleckt 2y ago
  I do think the trans issue in general is a good example of this shadowboosting. It's a very niche thing that seems to be everywhere for some reason, and despite most people not giving a shit or not supporting it, the Internet gives off a wildly different impression of the world. Nobody shares pronouns in daily life, yet most people I know working in an office have to use them in emails and such (and they use exactly what you would expect based on their name)

by zo1 2y ago

dangus 2y ago

Why under your specifications am I not free to start a social media network of my own that has its own rules? Why can’t I start my own social media website about cars where any topics that aren’t related to car culture and discussion are not allowed? Your line is illegality, but my line as the owner of the social media network might be something else. Is private ownership banned now?

zo1 2y ago
I'm all for private ownership as I'm an Libertarian/AnCap. But long story short, we have a flawed world right now, and to make it better right now, we have to work within it and that means making a completely arbitrary line. One that optimizes freedom whilst balancing the abuse, because it's clear to everyone not drinking the koolaid that social media is being used to affect public opinion. We've crossed the boundary of pure private ownership of anything many years ago. Heck, I don't even have private ownership of my own body, so a say in a highly influential component of our society is a small price to pay to keep the evil at bay.

fiiibilk 2y ago

> Another uncomfortable topic: trans people in sports. It will absolutely blow up in one direction if people were organically allowed to organize and find others with similar viewpoints. Instead, they're banned, scared into shutting up, shadow-banned, or worse cancelled and doxxed. There is a huge amount of discussion of the problem of males in female sports on Twitter, plus also on smaller forums like Mumsnet and Ovarit. Some of it amongst leading athletes and sports science researchers. People of similar viewpoints are organising, despite the attempts to shut them down on other forums. It's working too: various sports bodies have made changes within the past couple of years that walk back their previous broken policies of male inclusion. It does seem that the needle is slowly but surely moving back towards fairness for female athletes. Though there is still a lot of work to be done.

Unbefleckt 2y ago
I do think the trans issue in general is a good example of this shadowboosting. It's a very niche thing that seems to be everywhere for some reason, and despite most people not giving a shit or not supporting it, the Internet gives off a wildly different impression of the world. Nobody shares pronouns in daily life, yet most people I know working in an office have to use them in emails and such (and they use exactly what you would expect based on their name)