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But what is rarely addressed in this conversation is why the American people should be more scared of the Chinese government owning this type of service compare

by slg 2y ago

But what is rarely addressed in this conversation is why the American people should be more scared of the Chinese government owning this type of service compared to an American billionaire who is widely regarded to have some sort of personality disorder and a drug problem? If these services are too powerful when abused and too opaque for us to even know they are being abused, then they all need to have much more stringent regulation on them and not just ban the foreign one.

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NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
> But what is rarely addressed in this conversation is why the American people should be more scared of the Chinese government owning this type of service compared to an American billionaire who is widely regarded to have some sort of personality disorder and a drug problem? Last I checked, Elon Musk hadn't sent hundreds of Uighur women to rape camps to be "reeducated". He hasn't harvested organs from undesirables while they were still alive (for freshness) all that much either. I don't praise the United States government as saints and superheroes or anything like that, but to be unwilling to admit that there are still stark differences between the two countries probably means you wore a Che t-shirt in college and might even be wearing one now if your company permits casual dress.
- dpkirchner 2y ago
  These are reasons to cut off China entirely, not just lazily shutting down/forcing the sale of TikTok. But by taking on TikTok the government can pretend it did something about the threat from the Chinese government, I guess.
- slg 2y ago
  Arguing the American government has some level of moral superiority over the Chinese government doesn't address my question. As an American, what threat does the Chinese government's control of TikTok pose to me that Musk's control of Twitter doesn't? TikTok isn't going to force me into a reeducation camp or steal my organs. Yet the accusations of them manipulating public opinion for their own benefit could just as easily be leveled at Musk.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    >Yet the accusations of them manipulating public opinion for their own benefit could just as easily be leveled at Musk. I think that the parent point cedes this point, and argues that Musk's benefits, incentives, and morality are more favorable to that of the Chinese government.
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    Musk isn't interest in mono-racial communist ethno state being the worlds top super power. An American civil war is high, if not at the top, of China's wish list. Yeah, they would feel the crunch, but would be able to cement unrivaled global power if the US unraveled.

by slg 2y ago

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NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

> But what is rarely addressed in this conversation is why the American people should be more scared of the Chinese government owning this type of service compared to an American billionaire who is widely regarded to have some sort of personality disorder and a drug problem? Last I checked, Elon Musk hadn't sent hundreds of Uighur women to rape camps to be "reeducated". He hasn't harvested organs from undesirables while they were still alive (for freshness) all that much either. I don't praise the United States government as saints and superheroes or anything like that, but to be unwilling to admit that there are still stark differences between the two countries probably means you wore a Che t-shirt in college and might even be wearing one now if your company permits casual dress.

dpkirchner 2y ago
These are reasons to cut off China entirely, not just lazily shutting down/forcing the sale of TikTok. But by taking on TikTok the government can pretend it did something about the threat from the Chinese government, I guess.
slg 2y ago
Arguing the American government has some level of moral superiority over the Chinese government doesn't address my question. As an American, what threat does the Chinese government's control of TikTok pose to me that Musk's control of Twitter doesn't? TikTok isn't going to force me into a reeducation camp or steal my organs. Yet the accusations of them manipulating public opinion for their own benefit could just as easily be leveled at Musk.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  >Yet the accusations of them manipulating public opinion for their own benefit could just as easily be leveled at Musk. I think that the parent point cedes this point, and argues that Musk's benefits, incentives, and morality are more favorable to that of the Chinese government.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  Musk isn't interest in mono-racial communist ethno state being the worlds top super power. An American civil war is high, if not at the top, of China's wish list. Yeah, they would feel the crunch, but would be able to cement unrivaled global power if the US unraveled.