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> introduce a new Copilot key to Windows 11 PCs. Wait, like, on the keyboards? The keyboards that already have those bloody useless Windows and Menu keys betwe

> introduce a new Copilot key to Windows 11 PCs. Wait, like, on the keyboards? The keyboards that already have those bloody useless Windows and Menu keys between the AltGr and the right Ctrl? Where the hell are they gonna put that new key, exactly?

skeaker 2y ago
Lay off of the menu key, that thing rules. Menu-A to run as admin and shift-menu F to run as different user in particular are so nice to have.
eviks 2y ago
Instead of the wide spacebar would be nice, but that's not going to happen
flohofwoe 2y ago
They just slapped a different label on the Menu key (which makes it even more hilarious IMHO).
pjmlp 2y ago
They are perfectly usefull as Windows shortcuts, they replaced one of them.
- Joker_vD 2y ago
  While I have used the left Windows button extensively, I don't believe I've ever pressed the right Windows button except by a mistake when I was reaching for the right Alt. And I believe I've ever used the Menu button intentionally as opposed to pressing it accidentally instead of the right Ctrl only on those two memorable days when mouse was broken (don't worry, it got better).
justsomehnguy 2y ago
> those bloody useless Windows and Menu keys between the AltGr and the right Ctrl? If you didn't learn to use them for more than a quarter of century thrn it says more about you than of the usability of those keys. Maybe you are that ... person what shoves PrtScr in the place of ContextMenu on ThinkPads.
- mcswell 2y ago
  Can you say <Ctrl><Esc>? I didn't think so.
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  Not unusual though? FWIW I use Windows since Win95 and never use the Windows or Menu key (I typically live in the terminal, but can't imagine navigating the start menu or context menues with the keyboard).
  - whywhywhywhy 2y ago
    If you “live in the terminal” it’s weird you’re using windows to begin with since 95
  - justsomehnguy 2y ago
    I use Windows since 3.1. At the very-very least there is always Win+L. There is a navigation block (arrows, Home/End, PgUp/PgDown) which is used extensively with Ctrl and Shift when editing text and navigating files and ContextMenu is used when I need a context menu without changing my hand to the mouse to RMB. Also you can use RWin+ many keys on the right side for your own hotkeys, without clashing with the built-ins. > but can't imagine navigating the start menu or context menues with the keyboar My condolences? There is absolutely nothing wrong doing it with a keyboard. On a notebook it's even more convenient. Honestly, OP and your comments sounds like you don't use your right hand on the keyboard. Edit: and to clarify, RWin, arrows, Enter is the fastest way to open an app which is pinned in the Start Menu. If you don't pin apps there then see my previous comment. And to both of you: if you never use something it doesn't mean nobody ever in the whole universe does not use it too.
    - NikkiA 2y ago
      Win+1..Win+0 for taskbar pinned apps is the fastest way...
      - justsomehnguy 2y ago

skeaker 2y ago

Lay off of the menu key, that thing rules. Menu-A to run as admin and shift-menu F to run as different user in particular are so nice to have.

eviks 2y ago

Instead of the wide spacebar would be nice, but that's not going to happen

flohofwoe 2y ago

They just slapped a different label on the Menu key (which makes it even more hilarious IMHO).

pjmlp 2y ago

They are perfectly usefull as Windows shortcuts, they replaced one of them.

Joker_vD 2y ago
While I have used the left Windows button extensively, I don't believe I've ever pressed the right Windows button except by a mistake when I was reaching for the right Alt. And I believe I've ever used the Menu button intentionally as opposed to pressing it accidentally instead of the right Ctrl only on those two memorable days when mouse was broken (don't worry, it got better).

justsomehnguy 2y ago

> those bloody useless Windows and Menu keys between the AltGr and the right Ctrl? If you didn't learn to use them for more than a quarter of century thrn it says more about you than of the usability of those keys. Maybe you are that ... person what shoves PrtScr in the place of ContextMenu on ThinkPads.

mcswell 2y ago
Can you say <Ctrl><Esc>? I didn't think so.
flohofwoe 2y ago
Not unusual though? FWIW I use Windows since Win95 and never use the Windows or Menu key (I typically live in the terminal, but can't imagine navigating the start menu or context menues with the keyboard).
- whywhywhywhy 2y ago
  If you “live in the terminal” it’s weird you’re using windows to begin with since 95
- justsomehnguy 2y ago
  I use Windows since 3.1. At the very-very least there is always Win+L. There is a navigation block (arrows, Home/End, PgUp/PgDown) which is used extensively with Ctrl and Shift when editing text and navigating files and ContextMenu is used when I need a context menu without changing my hand to the mouse to RMB. Also you can use RWin+ many keys on the right side for your own hotkeys, without clashing with the built-ins. > but can't imagine navigating the start menu or context menues with the keyboar My condolences? There is absolutely nothing wrong doing it with a keyboard. On a notebook it's even more convenient. Honestly, OP and your comments sounds like you don't use your right hand on the keyboard. Edit: and to clarify, RWin, arrows, Enter is the fastest way to open an app which is pinned in the Start Menu. If you don't pin apps there then see my previous comment. And to both of you: if you never use something it doesn't mean nobody ever in the whole universe does not use it too.
  - NikkiA 2y ago
    Win+1..Win+0 for taskbar pinned apps is the fastest way...
    - justsomehnguy 2y ago