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I've been flying for a long time. It's only in the last decade that I've noticed the specific language of "keep your seatbelt fastened even if the light turns o

I've been flying for a long time. It's only in the last decade that I've noticed the specific language of "keep your seatbelt fastened even if the light turns off". It's always been a "soft" suggestion, but it's becoming stronger, and repeated. The ANA flight crew in particular were quite adamant about it. This may just be me becoming more aware of it, but, if so, I'm also becoming more aware of more passengers actually heeding the advice. I remember, not that long ago, most people removing their seatbelts as soon as the light went out. Not so common now.

ryandrake 2y ago
> It's only in the last decade that I've noticed the specific language of "keep your seatbelt fastened even if the light turns off". It makes you wonder why they ever even turn off the seatbelt light. Just keep it on the whole time, just like the equally anachronistic no-smoking light. I feel like the light is just there to mollify the older generations who didn't grow up with mandatory seat belts wearing in cars, fought those laws loudly, and are still bitter that the government makes them take a sensible safety precaution. Are there enough of those people still flying that it makes sense to keep that light in use?
- pintxo 2y ago
  The seatbelt light nowadays is mostly a don’t move around sign.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    During take-off and landing, it is. At cruise altitude, it really does mean "the pilots are expecting turbulence and suggest you stay seated", at least in my experience. Of course they don't always get it right both ways: Sometimes reports of turbulence ahead turn out to be false positives, and at other times, strong turbulence can happen without any warning.
    - tdeck 2y ago
      I've been on smoothe flights where the sign was kept on practically the whole time. Unfortunately I suspect some pilots forget about it, and I have observed that the public have gotten used to getting up to use the bathroom even when the sign is on (excluding takeoff and landing). I haven't flown enough to notice a pattern with specific routes or airlines.
- chrisbolt 2y ago
  There are times when the pilots are expecting turbulence, when they are notified by ATC or other planes ahead of them. During that time, the light means passengers shouldn't use the lavatories.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  >Are there enough of those people still flying that it makes sense to keep that light in use? There are entire states in the US that take that approach. Live free or die and all that. So free.
  - fuzztester 2y ago
    >There are entire states in the US that take that approach. Which ones? Rust belt? Flyover zone (or some such term)?
- Symbiote 2y ago
  A "stay in your seat" light would be an improvement.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    That's a good point! They even have a design for that on the bathrooms already (and now I wonder if that's always been the case, or if there was a time when people were frantically searching for the seatbelts there when the chime came on :)
- lxgr 2y ago
  > It makes you wonder why they ever even turn off the seatbelt light. To tell you when it's relatively safe/not so safe to use the bathroom.

ryandrake 2y ago

> It's only in the last decade that I've noticed the specific language of "keep your seatbelt fastened even if the light turns off". It makes you wonder why they ever even turn off the seatbelt light. Just keep it on the whole time, just like the equally anachronistic no-smoking light. I feel like the light is just there to mollify the older generations who didn't grow up with mandatory seat belts wearing in cars, fought those laws loudly, and are still bitter that the government makes them take a sensible safety precaution. Are there enough of those people still flying that it makes sense to keep that light in use?

pintxo 2y ago
The seatbelt light nowadays is mostly a don’t move around sign.
- lxgr 2y ago
  During take-off and landing, it is. At cruise altitude, it really does mean "the pilots are expecting turbulence and suggest you stay seated", at least in my experience. Of course they don't always get it right both ways: Sometimes reports of turbulence ahead turn out to be false positives, and at other times, strong turbulence can happen without any warning.
  - tdeck 2y ago
    I've been on smoothe flights where the sign was kept on practically the whole time. Unfortunately I suspect some pilots forget about it, and I have observed that the public have gotten used to getting up to use the bathroom even when the sign is on (excluding takeoff and landing). I haven't flown enough to notice a pattern with specific routes or airlines.
chrisbolt 2y ago
There are times when the pilots are expecting turbulence, when they are notified by ATC or other planes ahead of them. During that time, the light means passengers shouldn't use the lavatories.
mrguyorama 2y ago
>Are there enough of those people still flying that it makes sense to keep that light in use? There are entire states in the US that take that approach. Live free or die and all that. So free.
- fuzztester 2y ago
  >There are entire states in the US that take that approach. Which ones? Rust belt? Flyover zone (or some such term)?
Symbiote 2y ago
A "stay in your seat" light would be an improvement.
- lxgr 2y ago
  That's a good point! They even have a design for that on the bathrooms already (and now I wonder if that's always been the case, or if there was a time when people were frantically searching for the seatbelts there when the chime came on :)
lxgr 2y ago
> It makes you wonder why they ever even turn off the seatbelt light. To tell you when it's relatively safe/not so safe to use the bathroom.