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Lately I was wondering if it was possible to move the entire population out of China’s neighborhood. Let them have an empty island and preserve a free society

• mechagodzilla 2y ago
  Which empty, Taiwan-sized island did you have in mind?
  • yieldcrv 2y ago
    Wyoming
  • baxtr 2y ago
    I know, I know… But let me dream on: Tasmania could work. It has 500k people and 25k sqm. Taiwan has 25 million people on 36k sqm.
    • sealeck 2y ago
      There's just the small problem that Tasmania is part of Australia?
    • euroderf 2y ago
      Could we move Israel there too ? It would solve myriad problems.
    • boffinAudio 2y ago
      Tasmania was already the site of the modern Western worlds first genocide - an event which went on to inspire many more attempted genocides by Western powers, including some of the worst we have seen so far. You want to bring more suffering and misery to that part of the world? This is imperialist thinking. Please try to understand the harm you are doing to the world by proferring this view, even in jest. The idea that you can just 'take' an island to solve some imperial problem is heinous. If you can just 'take' Tasmania for the hell of it, why not just 'give' Taiwan to China, and end the issue entirely? (/s) By 'taking' Tasmania, you are behaving no better than the perceived view of China in 'taking' Taiwan.
      • libertine 2y ago
        Unlike the current Autocratic regimes, like Putin's Russia, or Xi's China, the "Western Worlds" - whatever that means - don't hide or rewrite their History. You haven't seen any "Western" leader try to justify Hitler's invasion of Poland, and the start of WW2, by blaming Poland and apologizing for Hitler, like Putin did... conveniently so, perhaps because of the role the USSR played in it? Which Russia likes to omit, you know, their alliance with Nazi Germany.. WW2 started in 1939, not in 1941 as Russia claims. Or maybe because Russia is now using the same false casus beli the Nazis used to invade Poland, so Putin needs to legitimize Hitler's claims and grievances? Or perhaps China attempts to hide its own atrocities? So that whole "imperialist thinking" propaganda logic seems very flawed, and more like an excuse the new autocratic regimes are using to expand their borders by force, and be themselves imperialistic. The good whole "so only you could be imperialistic, and now we can't?! Hypocrisy!!!", disregarding that in their History, they were also imperialistic at some point too. The world moved on in the meantime, you know, since the founding of the UN and such. It's much easier to blame the autocracy's shortcomings on the success of others, by framing everything as "Western Imperialism", and the forced expansionism of autocracies as a "multipolar world".
        • linearrust 2y ago
          > Unlike the current Autocratic regimes, like Putin's Russia, or Xi's China, the "Western Worlds" - whatever that means - don't hide or rewrite their History. Sure we do. All the time. > WW2 started in 1939, not in 1941 as Russia claims. Or it started in 1931 according to the chinese. > So that whole "imperialist thinking" propaganda logic seems very flawed, and more like an excuse the new autocratic regimes are using to expand their borders by force, and be themselves imperialistic. Because the west hasn't expanded by force? > The world moved on in the meantime, you know, since the founding of the UN and such. And that's why the western world hasn't invaded dozens of countries since. Right? > and the forced expansionism of autocracies as a "multipolar world". So you are defending the unipolar world? The same unipolar world maintained by force? It's hard to take you seriously when your points defending 'the west' actuals exposes all the evil the west has done.
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• coffeebeqn 2y ago
  Heck, have Xi invade that island instead
  • baxtr 2y ago
    And then what?
    • rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      build a wall around it
• consumer451 2y ago
  I am sure that I am being very naive, but prior to evacuating the island, why not try some "crazy" stuff to prevent the war? Why not officially rename the Republic of China (the current official name of Taiwan) to Taiwan, and make a big deal out of giving up any claims on China, so that the CCP saves face when making the practical decision of not invading?
  • baxtr 2y ago
    I would very much like that if it works. Re evacuation: I guess many, many people will be evacuated in case of a war. But people will be dispersed like with the Ukraine refugees.
  • sealeck 2y ago
    Because abandoning the One China Policy would make the PRC much more likely to invade?
    • consumer451 2y ago
      Does the government of Taiwan subscribe to the One China Policy? My understanding is that it does not. I would hope that they are the ones with the agency here.
      • science4sail 2y ago
        The CCP sees the Taiwanese as rebel separatists, so renaming "Republic of China" to "Republic of Taiwan" would increase, not decrease, the odds of invasion by confirming their propaganda. The CCP wants the island of Taiwan itself; it doesn't care about the ROC's claims on the mainland.
  • dayjaby 2y ago
    Sad to see more and more country giving up on recognizing Taiwan as a state.
• hoseja 2y ago
  Despite the hostility, the people are still connected.
• euroderf 2y ago
  And while you are at it, move Israel to a coastal area of Washington state and Oregon.
• eynsham 2y ago
  There was once a (joke) civil service paper on moving Hong Kong to Northern Ireland (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/03/uk-officials-discussed-resettling-55m-hong-kong-chinese-in-northern-ireland https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/03/uk-officials...).
• RecycledEle 2y ago
  There are places in the US that we could move them to. I would not mind having Taiwan as a neighbor.