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> Stasi-fans Is this language necessary?

baxtr 2y ago
What’s wrong with it? It’s basically marketing. It’s the use of a certain language to draw attention to a very important topic.
- blueflow 2y ago
  Its a needless emotionalisation of the topic. It might work with NPCs but people who can see behind it will get irritated.
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    > NPCs You believe this is better than Stasi fans?
    - blueflow 2y ago
      Not really. But any euphemism (like sheep, lemming) i could use to refer to "people who are incapable of critical thinking" would, by that use, become a pejorative, so there is no way to win that battle. I picked NPC because it entered youth slang in the last years and understanding of that word is widespread.
      - pseudalopex 2y ago
        > Not really. But any euphemism (like sheep, lemming) i could use to refer to "people who are incapable of critical thinking" would, by that use, become a pejorative, so there is no way to win that battle. Any euphemism they could use to refer to people who support mass surveillance would, by that use, become a pejorative, so there is no way to win that battle. In your reasoning at least. And none of these are euphemisms really.
        blueflow 2y ago
        Nice try but that didn't work out. "Chat Control Advocates". Edit: Child Protectors. Cheese Haters. Dickpic Stealers. Now i get all the ideas for funny euphemisms.
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        > Nice try but that didn't work out. "Chat Control Advocates". The groups overlap but are not identical. And you could have said some people. But you wanted to show your disdain. > Child Protectors. Cheese Haters. Dickpic Stealers. You believe these are not pejorative?
        blueflow 2y ago
        I think they are more some kind of joke than pejorative.
  - baxtr 2y ago
    Needless in your view. Drawing attention always requires emotionalisation.
    - blueflow 2y ago
      How will that attention be converted into some useful action?
      - baxtr 2y ago
        That’s a valid follow-up question. But for any goal, the first step is attention.
throwuxiytayq 2y ago
Perhaps not, but it sure is appropriate.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  Maybe so but I don't like applying labels to people and their complex positions. They're stasi-fans? Why bother listening to them?
  - fallingknife 2y ago
    Why indeed? I already don't bother listening to the authoritarians who favor censorship and surveillance.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
      Right! Someone on a forum labeled them stasi-fans and saved me from thinking for myself.
- blueflow 2y ago
  No it is not. Comparing the current surveillance capitalism with the Stasi is a trivialization of the former.
  - rusk 2y ago
    but it is important to point out their possible aspirations
    - blueflow 2y ago
      You could get access to your Stasi file and work on getting yourself arranged with the State. It was not some secret algorithm like it is today.
      - rusk 2y ago

What’s wrong with it? It’s basically marketing. It’s the use of a certain language to draw attention to a very important topic.

blueflow 2y ago
Its a needless emotionalisation of the topic. It might work with NPCs but people who can see behind it will get irritated.
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  > NPCs You believe this is better than Stasi fans?
  - blueflow 2y ago
    Not really. But any euphemism (like sheep, lemming) i could use to refer to "people who are incapable of critical thinking" would, by that use, become a pejorative, so there is no way to win that battle. I picked NPC because it entered youth slang in the last years and understanding of that word is widespread.
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      > Not really. But any euphemism (like sheep, lemming) i could use to refer to "people who are incapable of critical thinking" would, by that use, become a pejorative, so there is no way to win that battle. Any euphemism they could use to refer to people who support mass surveillance would, by that use, become a pejorative, so there is no way to win that battle. In your reasoning at least. And none of these are euphemisms really.
      - blueflow 2y ago
        Nice try but that didn't work out. "Chat Control Advocates". Edit: Child Protectors. Cheese Haters. Dickpic Stealers. Now i get all the ideas for funny euphemisms.
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        > Nice try but that didn't work out. "Chat Control Advocates". The groups overlap but are not identical. And you could have said some people. But you wanted to show your disdain. > Child Protectors. Cheese Haters. Dickpic Stealers. You believe these are not pejorative?
        blueflow 2y ago
        I think they are more some kind of joke than pejorative.
- baxtr 2y ago
  Needless in your view. Drawing attention always requires emotionalisation.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    How will that attention be converted into some useful action?
    - baxtr 2y ago
      That’s a valid follow-up question. But for any goal, the first step is attention.

throwuxiytayq 2y ago

Perhaps not, but it sure is appropriate.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Maybe so but I don't like applying labels to people and their complex positions. They're stasi-fans? Why bother listening to them?
- fallingknife 2y ago
  Why indeed? I already don't bother listening to the authoritarians who favor censorship and surveillance.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    Right! Someone on a forum labeled them stasi-fans and saved me from thinking for myself.
blueflow 2y ago
No it is not. Comparing the current surveillance capitalism with the Stasi is a trivialization of the former.
- rusk 2y ago
  but it is important to point out their possible aspirations
  - blueflow 2y ago
    You could get access to your Stasi file and work on getting yourself arranged with the State. It was not some secret algorithm like it is today.
    - rusk 2y ago