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Thats not entirely true. In the US at least I believe it has more to do with consumer demand. Small cars are not popular. On the EV front we had the Ford Bolt

Thats not entirely true. In the US at least I believe it has more to do with consumer demand. Small cars are not popular. On the EV front we had the Ford Bolt and the Nissan Leaf, neither of which sell very well. There have also been large supply issues, most of the battery refinement is happening in China.

londons_explore 2y ago
> Small cars are not popular. small cars are not popular, and large cars have much more aerodynamic drag and therefore require bigger batteries. Bigger batteries dramatically increase the cost of the car.
- infecto 2y ago
  And? The fact remains, in the US market small cars are not popular. Its not a conspiracy of US manufacturers "lagging deliberately". There of course is more margin to be made on bigger vehicles but its a mixture of both consumer demand and margin incentives.
pjc50 2y ago
Parent comment was "how the hell are we going to get to zero without 95% of the population just being too poor to own a car?" If people would rather walk than suffer the shame of a small cheap car that's .. fine by me? Just make sure that the small cars "nobody wants" aren't carefully kept out of the market by tariffs and non tariff barriers to avoid people discovering that they do want them.
- infecto 2y ago
  Yeah and your comment was factually incorrect so I pointed it out. What is your response here trying to even convey? We have had small cheap EVS and small cheap ICE vehicles. They don't sell as well. I know you wish there was a conspiracy but its the average American does not want a small vehicle. Consumer demand alongside higher margin incentives on more expensive vehicles eliminate that class from the market. The leaf and bolt were already here in the EV category and they just don't get enough demand. I think they are great but they don't sell as well as you might think.

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Thats not entirely true. In the US at least I believe it has more to do with consumer demand. Small cars are not popular. On the EV front we had the Ford Bolt

by infecto 2y ago

londons_explore 2y ago
> Small cars are not popular. small cars are not popular, and large cars have much more aerodynamic drag and therefore require bigger batteries. Bigger batteries dramatically increase the cost of the car.
- infecto 2y ago
  And? The fact remains, in the US market small cars are not popular. Its not a conspiracy of US manufacturers "lagging deliberately". There of course is more margin to be made on bigger vehicles but its a mixture of both consumer demand and margin incentives.
pjc50 2y ago
Parent comment was "how the hell are we going to get to zero without 95% of the population just being too poor to own a car?" If people would rather walk than suffer the shame of a small cheap car that's .. fine by me? Just make sure that the small cars "nobody wants" aren't carefully kept out of the market by tariffs and non tariff barriers to avoid people discovering that they do want them.
- infecto 2y ago
  Yeah and your comment was factually incorrect so I pointed it out. What is your response here trying to even convey? We have had small cheap EVS and small cheap ICE vehicles. They don't sell as well. I know you wish there was a conspiracy but its the average American does not want a small vehicle. Consumer demand alongside higher margin incentives on more expensive vehicles eliminate that class from the market. The leaf and bolt were already here in the EV category and they just don't get enough demand. I think they are great but they don't sell as well as you might think.