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Re Arms sells: Your point here about selling to non-problematic countries is really moot. As shown, the US does 40% of arms trade by revenue and counts over 10

Re Arms sells: Your point here about selling to non-problematic countries is really moot. As shown, the US does 40% of arms trade by revenue and counts over 100 countries as their client. They are selling to everyone that pays. They also never have claimed to have anything like a "responsible selling of weapons" policy. Re holodomor and the great leap forward: These disasters were caused by the attempts of the SU and China to industrialise rapidly. As such, a somewhat more reasonable comparison would be to compare it to the death and disaster caused by the US industrialisation, which I again suspect will outnumber the rest given the much longer timeframe. Comparing holodomor and the great leap forward with say the US treatment of Unit 731, slave trade, the multitudes of war waged directly or the decade long direct support of murderous gangs throughout the Americas doesn't make any sense, since the death of the deaths of holodomor/glf were not the intended outcomes (I'm not excusing the actors here as I think absent of intent is not sufficient to omit blame) compared with the plentiful examples of US wars, policies and actions where deaths were absolutely the intended outcomes. Let's remember Albright reminding us "that we think it is worth it". Wiki link to Unit 731's story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 Putting something in a completely different context is absolutely minimising the crimes.

n4r9 2y ago
> They are selling to everyone that pays. They also never have claimed to have anything like a "responsible selling of weapons" policy. This is incorrect [0]: > no arms transfer will be authorized where the United States assesses that it is more likely than not that the arms to be transferred will be used by the recipient to commit, facilitate the recipients’ commission of, or to aggravate risks that the recipient will commit: genocide; crimes against humanity; grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 1949, including attacks intentionally directed against civilian objects or civilians protected as such; or other serious violations of international humanitarian or human rights law, including serious acts of gender‑based violence or serious acts of violence against children. > ... a somewhat more reasonable comparison would be to compare it to the death and disaster caused by the US industrialisation, which I again suspect will outnumber the rest given the much longer timeframe I was giving a counter-argument to your point that no other countries actions compares to the US giving amnesty to perpetrators of genocide. The fact is that both China and Russia did worse: they actively supported genocides against Uyghurs and Ukrainians. [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/02/23/memorandum-on-united-states-conventional-arms-transfer-policy/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...

n4r9 2y ago

> They are selling to everyone that pays. They also never have claimed to have anything like a "responsible selling of weapons" policy. This is incorrect [0]: > no arms transfer will be authorized where the United States assesses that it is more likely than not that the arms to be transferred will be used by the recipient to commit, facilitate the recipients’ commission of, or to aggravate risks that the recipient will commit: genocide; crimes against humanity; grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 1949, including attacks intentionally directed against civilian objects or civilians protected as such; or other serious violations of international humanitarian or human rights law, including serious acts of gender‑based violence or serious acts of violence against children. > ... a somewhat more reasonable comparison would be to compare it to the death and disaster caused by the US industrialisation, which I again suspect will outnumber the rest given the much longer timeframe I was giving a counter-argument to your point that no other countries actions compares to the US giving amnesty to perpetrators of genocide. The fact is that both China and Russia did worse: they actively supported genocides against Uyghurs and Ukrainians. [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/02/23/memorandum-on-united-states-conventional-arms-transfer-policy/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...